Official 1st Presidential Debate Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just embarrassed by this entire presidency. Donald a candidate? It really just hit me last night.

Agree. Can't imagine what the rest of the world thinks of this mess we have on our hands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How anyone can watch this and vote for Trump is astonishing.

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Because a pathological liar is your better option?

Trump is already a pathological liar. And a douche.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal who will not vote for either Hillary or Trump.

My read is that Hillary won on points but the performances of both candidates will not change the minds of a single one of their hard core supporters. I have read that many Americans watch only the first 30 minutes of these presidential debates and if this is accurate, then that was when Trump did best and the average voter who has not made up his/her mind would be able to relate to what he said.

She clearly got under his skin especially in the second half of the debate and at times he came across as incoherent with jumbled thoughts.

For those who are not hard core supporters and are still open as to who they will vote for, there is nothing he did that would turn them off. Hillary's trust issues - which is her biggest problem - were not overcome by her performance yesterday.

So the crux of how those undecided people will vote has to do with who they think is a "change agent" and on this, Trump will win hands down because he is not the establishment politician the way that Hillary is and has been. So when he asked the question as to where she was the last thirty years in terms of making the needed changes, that will resonate with some of these undecided voters. It really does not matter if she was really in a position to effect changes in the roles she had in public life - most undecided voters will likely decide that she is not going to make the needed changes.

Trump achieved what he needed to do in this debate given that the bar he had to overcome was lower for him. Some of what he says at a visceral level is the sort of stuff that many voters actually do feel and he gives voice to their thoughts.

Have you watched the debate?

Yes, I did - what do you disagree with in terms of what I stated? Hardcore supporters of both candidates think their candidate won. It is the undecided or those whose opinions can be changed who will decide this election.

[Anonymous]

Seriously, what sort of person is undecided?
I'd say someone who doesn't feel like telling you.

[Anonymous]

I am really really trying to be open-minded, but I feel like I was watching a different debate than some of you. I saw a poised, prepared, experienced candidate who gave specific policy platforms, used humor appropriately and seriousness besides, who spoke eloquently about important issues, who held her poise when she was provoked, who paid attention to the debate rules but pushed only slightly when she needed to. She didn't come across to me as arrogant or untrustworthy in the least. She looked like exactly what I want in a President.

Versus, a person who gave rambling, incoherent statements that were frequently conflicting and hypocritical even in the same sentence, wo was clearly unprepared and nervous (the amount of movement and water drinking and sniffling was a dead giveaway), who was rude to everyone, who repeatedly lied about things that were easy to confirm, who made racist comments and gave no specific policy ideas and who admitted he pays no federal taxes and has repeatedly filed for bankruptcy.

the main one that gets me is people who think she was arrogant last night. I think she could have been arrogant given who she was debating against, but I didn't read arrogance even a little.

[Anonymous]

They always said Obama was arrogant, too. If you are calm and use facts, it's arrogant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They always said Obama was arrogant, too. If you are calm and use facts, it's arrogant.

I that case, I will take arrogant. every.single.time.

[Anonymous]

I thought Holt was biased against Trump with all the "gotcha" questions - hiding taxes, birther issue, supportimg the Iraq war, etc. Where were the questions to Hillary about hiding/destroying emails after they were subpoened, VOTING for the Iraq war, lying to the parents of Benghazi (and her going MIA there), her unwillingness to disclose her Wall Street speeches, etc.

And finally, no question about illegal immigration? He skirted the single most issue that is attracting voters to Trump, while Hillary brags about all the illegal immigrants getting taxpayer funding for college.

Definitely a biased moderator.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just embarrassed by this entire presidency. Donald a candidate? It really just hit me last night.

Agree. Can't imagine what the rest of the world thinks of this mess we have on our hands.

They think Hillary is sane, intelligent, and experienced politician, that Donald is a racist lunatic and a buffoon, and that Americans are nuts to even be debating which would be the better president. No one thinks this is a hard choice but us.

[Anonymous]

I think we can all agree that Trump lost the vote of the 400 pound individuals on their computers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we can all agree that Trump lost the vote of the 400 pound individuals on their computers!

That was the most bizarre thing. I wonder if he'll piss off some hackers enough to start digging

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They always said Obama was arrogant, too. If you are calm and use facts, it's arrogant.

I that case, I will take arrogant. every.single.time.

Yeah, apparently prepared and calm makes you arrogant. Which describes many successful people. Though not all -- Trump is arrogant without being either prepared or calm. (Nothing says arrogant like believing you can win a debate without any preparation.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can all agree that Trump lost the vote of the 400 pound individuals on their computers!

That was the most bizarre thing. I wonder if he'll piss off some hackers enough to start digging

LOL!
Anyone who was offended by that has already tried to dig.
And, according to many on DCUM, we do have an obesity problem in the US. It is pointed out frequently by DCUM posters. But, when Trump points it out, it’s offensive?

[jsteele]

Trump was complaining after the debate that he was given a defective microphone and that it was possibly done on purpose. Also, he was scheduled to speak at a rally organized by the Nassau County Republicans after the debate but didn't show. This doesn't seem like a guy who believes he won the debate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we can all agree that Trump lost the vote of the 400 pound individuals on their computers!

That was the most bizarre thing. I wonder if he'll piss off some hackers enough to start digging

LOL!
Anyone who was offended by that has already tried to dig.
And, according to many on DCUM, we do have an obesity problem in the US. It is pointed out frequently by DCUM posters. But, when Trump points it out, it’s offensive?

It's not offensive, it was bizarre. And he was not talking about the obesity epidemic when he said that.

Do you feel nauseated when you come up with these arguments?