Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

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Anonymous wrote:I’m new to the post. Redshirting should be illegal. Kids are 10 in my child’s 3rd grade class while some are 8.


Should retention also be illegal?
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Anonymous wrote:I’m new to the post. Redshirting should be illegal. Kids are 10 in my child’s 3rd grade class while some are 8.


Should retention also be illegal?


Retention why? We are not talking kids with issues. We are talking about typical kid with no concerns. It’s not healthy to hold back kids.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s concerning that DCPS let this redshirting practice go on for so long but the enrollment guidelines for K seem very clear, it’s just a matter of enforcing them.


This is the crazy that privates weed out. When a policy isn’t the best for the students, the policies change.


Sorry… It’s “crazy” for someone to say the DCPS should enforce its own guidelines? And what does that have to do with private school? I hope you’re a bot stealing a previous post without understanding the meaning.


It’s crazy to blindly follow guidelines that are not in the best interest of students. Private schools teach critical thinking.


Lol. typical private school move to claim that the thing you demand for your own child is self-evidently in the interests of all children overall and must become policy. That sure is some critical thinking.


Go to Columbia Teacher’s college. Ask them about the best evidence-based curriculum and the right ages for them.


Is that a joke?
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Anonymous wrote:It’s concerning that DCPS let this redshirting practice go on for so long but the enrollment guidelines for K seem very clear, it’s just a matter of enforcing them.


This is the crazy that privates weed out. When a policy isn’t the best for the students, the policies change.


Sorry… It’s “crazy” for someone to say the DCPS should enforce its own guidelines? And what does that have to do with private school? I hope you’re a bot stealing a previous post without understanding the meaning.


It’s crazy to blindly follow guidelines that are not in the best interest of students. Private schools teach critical thinking.


Lol. typical private school move to claim that the thing you demand for your own child is self-evidently in the interests of all children overall and must become policy. That sure is some critical thinking.


Go to Columbia Teacher’s college. Ask them about the best evidence-based curriculum and the right ages for them.


Yeah given that they put Lucy Caulkins on a pedestal for 20 years while she shelled out a horrible reading curriculum that didn’t actually teach kids to read. I think I’ll pass on Teacher’s College curriculum for the time being. And Caulkins was “evidence-based” as well. But it is a private school so according to you it’s superior.


So you’ll stick with random uninformed bureaucrat?


Huh? DCPS has for at least a decade had a strong phonics curriculum. Thank goodness for the “random uninformed bureaucrats” that figured that out for DCPS. Now they need to continue to kick to the curb the supposed experts that think any kind of rigor is inequitable.
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Anonymous wrote:For the DCPS parents here who support the K enrollment policies and want to see them better enforced, have you found a productive way outside DCUM to voice your concerns?


It’s only one crazy parent and she’s not even in DCPS. Her story changes depending on the forum she’s posting on.

Honestly it’s just a paranoid idiot at this point.


What on earth are you talking about?


It’s not a bunch of parents complaining about redshirting, it’s just one crazy cat lady. No amount of sock puppeting is going to change that. In that respect your stupidity is quite unique.

I haven’t met a single parent in real life objecting to other kids being held back.


False. there are many parents here totally appalled by the self-serving, disruptive entitlement shown by these parents who are unashamed pretend that their individual wants are entitlements. I am sympathetic to adding some flexibility to redshirting rules on an official level but absolutely find this kind of attempt to get your way by defaming and steamrolling the school district to be abhorrent.



+1 from another DCPS parent!
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What if instead of Lafayette, it were a Ward 8 school where a few kids were moving from Pre-K to 1st because of this issue? Or is it simply inconceivable that any parent in Ward 8 would want this? Or insist on it when it is best for them and their class?
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Anonymous wrote:For the DCPS parents here who support the K enrollment policies and want to see them better enforced, have you found a productive way outside DCUM to voice your concerns?


It’s only one crazy parent and she’s not even in DCPS. Her story changes depending on the forum she’s posting on.

Honestly it’s just a paranoid idiot at this point.


What on earth are you talking about?


It’s not a bunch of parents complaining about redshirting, it’s just one crazy cat lady. No amount of sock puppeting is going to change that. In that respect your stupidity is quite unique.

I haven’t met a single parent in real life objecting to other kids being held back.


I am not whoever you have been responding to previously and I absolutely object to parents redshirting kids unilaterally in DCPS. With school and/or teacher support? Absolutely. Making the choice unilaterally? No. I don't want DCPSes to become like private schools where the "official" cutoff and the actual cutoff are entirely different. It absolutely disadvantages poor kids who don't have options. And certainly parents shouldn't get two bites at PK lotteries for desirable placements. I would actually guess that the majority of parents have broadly similar views. Certainly they do on this thread. If your takeaway from this thread is that most posters support the NW parents pushing this then you are truly delusional.
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Yeah, babe trust when I tell you, you have lots of oppo. I don’t even like cats.
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I don’t know why I should penalize my kid for the sake of other kids if I felt they (it’s always a boy though) needed to mature a year before kindergarten, and I don’t see why it’s a problem for other people to do it as well. I can see an argument for limiting it to a year, but frankly we’re probably moving to a world where we’re going to hold boys back more anyway- they just mature much more slowly than girls do.

As for “others can’t do it so you shouldn’t get to” that’s just silly. I can’t fly private so I fly commercial, but I don’t care if others do. It’s not obviously going to create a better world- and there’s not a hint of evidence that holding kids back is bad- limiting my ability to hold my kid back because other parents don’t have their act together.
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Anonymous wrote:For the DCPS parents here who support the K enrollment policies and want to see them better enforced, have you found a productive way outside DCUM to voice your concerns?


It’s only one crazy parent and she’s not even in DCPS. Her story changes depending on the forum she’s posting on.

Honestly it’s just a paranoid idiot at this point.


What on earth are you talking about?


It’s not a bunch of parents complaining about redshirting, it’s just one crazy cat lady. No amount of sock puppeting is going to change that. In that respect your stupidity is quite unique.

I haven’t met a single parent in real life objecting to other kids being held back.


I am not whoever you have been responding to previously and I absolutely object to parents redshirting kids unilaterally in DCPS. With school and/or teacher support? Absolutely. Making the choice unilaterally? No. I don't want DCPSes to become like private schools where the "official" cutoff and the actual cutoff are entirely different. It absolutely disadvantages poor kids who don't have options. And certainly parents shouldn't get two bites at PK lotteries for desirable placements. I would actually guess that the majority of parents have broadly similar views. Certainly they do on this thread. If your takeaway from this thread is that most posters support the NW parents pushing this then you are truly delusional.


This seems to be the overall popular opinion both on this thread and when I've spoken to people in the real world broadly. So this person can convince themselves it's a lone wolf in opposition to them but they are very wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why I should penalize my kid for the sake of other kids if I felt they (it’s always a boy though) needed to mature a year before kindergarten, and I don’t see why it’s a problem for other people to do it as well. I can see an argument for limiting it to a year, but frankly we’re probably moving to a world where we’re going to hold boys back more anyway- they just mature much more slowly than girls do.

As for “others can’t do it so you shouldn’t get to” that’s just silly. I can’t fly private so I fly commercial, but I don’t care if others do. It’s not obviously going to create a better world- and there’s not a hint of evidence that holding kids back is bad- limiting my ability to hold my kid back because other parents don’t have their act together.


I agree that parents, teachers, and principals working together should be able to make this call as needed, and think that parents should not be able to make the call unilaterally. But my biggest issue is that the latter is not equally available to everyone in DCPS. Our school is a universal "no" to red-shirting, and I've heard of parents at many other schools with the same experience. It is completely unfair for this to be a secret option for just some parents at some schools. One way or another, whatever policy they are enforcing should be uniform within DCPS.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why I should penalize my kid for the sake of other kids if I felt they (it’s always a boy though) needed to mature a year before kindergarten, and I don’t see why it’s a problem for other people to do it as well. I can see an argument for limiting it to a year, but frankly we’re probably moving to a world where we’re going to hold boys back more anyway- they just mature much more slowly than girls do.

As for “others can’t do it so you shouldn’t get to” that’s just silly. I can’t fly private so I fly commercial, but I don’t care if others do. It’s not obviously going to create a better world- and there’s not a hint of evidence that holding kids back is bad- limiting my ability to hold my kid back because other parents don’t have their act together.


What you parents of little kids need to understand is that it is a public school SYSTEM, not an individual parent’s preference system. The school system makes all sorts of rules that apply to everyone equally.
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Anonymous wrote:What if instead of Lafayette, it were a Ward 8 school where a few kids were moving from Pre-K to 1st because of this issue? Or is it simply inconceivable that any parent in Ward 8 would want this? Or insist on it when it is best for them and their class?


So no answers to this one.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why I should penalize my kid for the sake of other kids if I felt they (it’s always a boy though) needed to mature a year before kindergarten, and I don’t see why it’s a problem for other people to do it as well. I can see an argument for limiting it to a year, but frankly we’re probably moving to a world where we’re going to hold boys back more anyway- they just mature much more slowly than girls do.

As for “others can’t do it so you shouldn’t get to” that’s just silly. I can’t fly private so I fly commercial, but I don’t care if others do. It’s not obviously going to create a better world- and there’s not a hint of evidence that holding kids back is bad- limiting my ability to hold my kid back because other parents don’t have their act together.


I agree that parents, teachers, and principals working together should be able to make this call as needed, and think that parents should not be able to make the call unilaterally. But my biggest issue is that the latter is not equally available to everyone in DCPS. Our school is a universal "no" to red-shirting, and I've heard of parents at many other schools with the same experience. It is completely unfair for this to be a secret option for just some parents at some schools. One way or another, whatever policy they are enforcing should be uniform within DCPS.

As the author of the post you’re replying to, I fully agree. People should advocate for change at the system level and stop trying to bend the rules
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Anonymous wrote:For the DCPS parents here who support the K enrollment policies and want to see them better enforced, have you found a productive way outside DCUM to voice your concerns?


It’s only one crazy parent and she’s not even in DCPS. Her story changes depending on the forum she’s posting on.

Honestly it’s just a paranoid idiot at this point.


What on earth are you talking about?


It’s not a bunch of parents complaining about redshirting, it’s just one crazy cat lady. No amount of sock puppeting is going to change that. In that respect your stupidity is quite unique.

I haven’t met a single parent in real life objecting to other kids being held back.


I am not whoever you have been responding to previously and I absolutely object to parents redshirting kids unilaterally in DCPS. With school and/or teacher support? Absolutely. Making the choice unilaterally? No. I don't want DCPSes to become like private schools where the "official" cutoff and the actual cutoff are entirely different. It absolutely disadvantages poor kids who don't have options. And certainly parents shouldn't get two bites at PK lotteries for desirable placements. I would actually guess that the majority of parents have broadly similar views. Certainly they do on this thread. If your takeaway from this thread is that most posters support the NW parents pushing this then you are truly delusional.


Yeah, I know the usual sock puppet techniques: new poster, DP, +1, not the poster you replied to, etc. you’re not fooling anyone, crazy cat lady.

I’ve been involved in the PTA, know many parents, not once have I heard anyone even hint at complaining about other kids being held back. Most often people would say something along the lines of “he was immature for his age”, and the response is “parents know their kids better”.

You’re taking this to Internet forums with so much gusto because your comments were not received well in real life, with a mix of confusion and disgust.


When talking with someone I know to be volatile and aggressive, I will generally respond in a fairly neutral way regardless of my actual feelings on the matter. Based on the way you've conducted yourself in this thread, I'm guessing the parents you know know better than to say what they might actually think around you.
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