FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.

Exactly this. The current enrollment went from 2,341 last year to 2,335 this year. Net loss of SIX kids. Five year projection went down 409 students and a decrease from current enrollment of 415 students. Who loses 415 students in five years?!? This is an absolute scandal.

Imagine they move Forestville to Herndon and then have Herndon out in modulars. That’s where we are headed. And that falls squarely on Robyn Lady.

Correct, it the projections swing 10-20% year over year then they are not reliable at all and provide no rational basis for implementing boundary changes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m excited for the for this new boundary policy to go live. So much academic and social change for the better.

I look forward to the outrage from the redistricted kids taking marginalized kids’ TJ spots.

This isn’t going to help anyone, it’ll only destroy much of the little value that remains in the system.

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It’ll be funny when the people advocating redistricting find that their own kids are going to be sent to lesser high schools. Karma.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Aren't her constituents generally supportive of fiscally conservative policy and paying less taxes to government? They should be loving such a plan that would reduce costs of the taxpayer.

Hundreds of millions lost in property value decreases tax revenue far more than the savings of having a handful fewer buses carrying the kids to school.

Your analysis is the very definition of penny wise pound foolish, but I assume an economic analysis was not the true intent of your post.

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The PP is such a transparent troll.

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Where did that hundred million figure come from? We're in a bottom of the barrel pyramid and my tax assessment is sky high and keeps going up at an accelerating rate. There is absolutely no decrease in taxes just because you think you should have one based on schools.

Go find two houses that are near each other, one zoned for Langley and one zoned for Herndon. Do the math on the price per square foot. The difference is about 25%.

That's the difference as of right now. What's going to happen when Herndon's average SOL pass rates greatly improve, GreatSchools rating goes to a 7+, and an influx of people are suddenly interested in attending Herndon due to their vastly improved GreatSchools score?

Answer: Herndon's taxes collectively increase. I'm not too concerned about Western Great Falls estates. They have inherent land value that goes far beyond school given how many go to private anyway.

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Where did that hundred million figure come from? We're in a bottom of the barrel pyramid and my tax assessment is sky high and keeps going up at an accelerating rate. There is absolutely no decrease in taxes just because you think you should have one based on schools.

Go find two houses that are near each other, one zoned for Langley and one zoned for Herndon. Do the math on the price per square foot. The difference is about 25%.

That's the difference as of right now. What's going to happen when Herndon's average SOL pass rates greatly improve, GreatSchools rating goes to a 7+, and an influx of people are suddenly interested in attending Herndon due to their vastly improved GreatSchools score?

Answer: Herndon's taxes collectively increase. I'm not too concerned about Western Great Falls estates. They have inherent land value that goes far beyond school given how many go to private anyway.

DP, but GreatSchools dings schools that have large numbers of higher-achieving kids at the same school with poorer kids. Look at Madison.

Herndon might do better than its current 2 on GS with Forestville kids, but probably has a GS ceiling of about 4 unless GS changes its ratings methodology yet again.

As for the kids at privates, the Forestville parents are more likely than those living within a few miles of Langley to send their kids to Cooper/Langley. There aren't a ton of private school options in that area. It's the Langley families living closer to DC and the Beltway who are more likely to send their kids to privates. Of course, if they change the boundaries, that could change if people felt strongly enough about it.

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Where did that hundred million figure come from? We're in a bottom of the barrel pyramid and my tax assessment is sky high and keeps going up at an accelerating rate. There is absolutely no decrease in taxes just because you think you should have one based on schools.

Go find two houses that are near each other, one zoned for Langley and one zoned for Herndon. Do the math on the price per square foot. The difference is about 25%.

That's the difference as of right now. What's going to happen when Herndon's average SOL pass rates greatly improve, GreatSchools rating goes to a 7+, and an influx of people are suddenly interested in attending Herndon due to their vastly improved GreatSchools score?

Answer: Herndon's taxes collectively increase. I'm not too concerned about Western Great Falls estates. They have inherent land value that goes far beyond school given how many go to private anyway.

Even you don’t honestly believe what you just wrote. No way that Herndon suddenly becomes a magical utopia just because of Forestville. And home prices in that part of GF will absolutely take a hit -going from one of the best ranked schools to one of the lower ones? Don’t be silly arguing that won’t have an impact.

Plus, as others have talked about previously, certainty in school districts matter for prospective house buyers. It’s not just that they are sticking it to the richer areas of the county now, it’s that they want to repeat this process every five years.

To sum up, your argument is extremely poorly reasoned.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

You’d be wise to tell your SB representative that, since it is clear she’s going to try to jam you with them.

Want is in quotes because they don’t care one way or another. What they have issue with is people going apoplectic over the possibility of being re-zoned to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

You’d be wise to tell your SB representative that, since it is clear she’s going to try to jam you with them.

Want is in quotes because they don’t care one way or another. What they have issue with is people going apoplectic over the possibility of being re-zoned to Herndon.

Did you write it? If not, I’m not sure why you think you are the authoritative interpreter. If you did write it, then you are sock puppeting. Bad look either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.

The modular doesn’t address the significant overcrowding of all the common spaces such as the cafeteria, gym, auditorium, library,… It’s not the job to respect the wishes of some McLean parents who don’t want to get moved to Langley. It’s about managing resources efficiently. Comparison of Langley and MHS shows you that is not being done at all.

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That's the difference as of right now. What's going to happen when Herndon's average SOL pass rates greatly improve, GreatSchools rating goes to a 7+, and an influx of people are suddenly interested in attending Herndon due to their vastly improved GreatSchools score?
Answer: Herndon's taxes collectively increase. I'm not too concerned about Western Great Falls estates. They have inherent land value that goes far beyond school given how many go to private anyway.

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The addition of a few hundred Forestville kids isn't going to move the needle for one of the worst-performing high school student populations in the state. Almost 60% of Herndon is black or Hispanic, over 30% don't speak/read English proficiently, and those numbers are only growing due to the current border situation. The only thing that changes outcomes at Herndon is massive deportation + moving the remaining problem children elsewhere. There will be no improvement to home values, only massive hits for people moved into the Herndon zone.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.

The modular doesn’t address the significant overcrowding of all the common spaces such as the cafeteria, gym, auditorium, library,… It’s not the job to respect the wishes of some McLean parents who don’t want to get moved to Langley. It’s about managing resources efficiently. Comparison of Langley and MHS shows you that is not being done at all.

FCPS has built permanent additions to numerous schools to increase classroom space without expanding the common spaces you mention. The modular at McLean is cheap but it does add classrooms, and since they just changed the McLean boundaries in 2021 they shouldn't do so again without clear and strong support from McLean families for yet another boundary change. Otherwise they are just yanking McLean around to justify moving Langley kids to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m excited for the for this new boundary policy to go live. So much academic and social change for the better.

They are NOT rezoning?! Are they?

What a foolish move.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Aren't her constituents generally supportive of fiscally conservative policy and paying less taxes to government? They should be loving such a plan that would reduce costs of the taxpayer.

Rezoning and busses cost MORE and will result in higher taxes that should go to teachers pay, not bussing kids past their existing schools to appease a small noisy group of parent unhappy with where they purchased a home.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also excited to see how much better Lewis can be with these new changes.

Chantilly could use boundary shifts as well.

They probably won’t do anything for Chantilly until the big expansion at Centreville is finished.

This is mostly about moving West Springfield kids to Lewis and Langley kids to Herndon.

There is jo justification to move anh West Springfield kids to Lewis

Lewis has over 12% of their students pupil placing to other high schools.

FCPS needs to close That loophole, then sit for a couple of years to see how that settles before disrupting any non Lewis kids with rezoning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also excited to see how much better Lewis can be with these new changes.

Chantilly could use boundary shifts as well.

They probably won’t do anything for Chantilly until the big expansion at Centreville is finished.

This is mostly about moving West Springfield kids to Lewis and Langley kids to Herndon.

There is jo justification to move anh West Springfield kids to Lewis

Lewis has over 12% of their students pupil placing to other high schools.

FCPS needs to close That loophole, then sit for a couple of years to see how that settles before disrupting any non Lewis kids with rezoning.

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It’s even worse for Herndon High.