New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

LMAO. Honestly. You have just made up a whole bizarre scenario that is not grounded in anything but your imagination and expect people to take it as fact.

The bizarre scenario of high school students going places and doing things on their own, without cars?

The bizarre scenario of Northwood students being bikes halfway across the county in school buses and their parents cars (or some crazy 1.5 hours on a RideOn) to use bike lanes. You want to defend that? Like seriously?

They're not going to "use bike lanes." They're going to "go places." Just like you go places, except you go in a car. Maybe you should try taking the bus some time, too.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Have you walked on the sidewalks, at all, with or without the bike lanes? I have. Walking on the sidewalks was horrible before the bike lanes. And dangerous too. Now it's comfortable and safe. Why? Because instead of having large motor vehicles within a few feet of you, going past high speeds, the large motor vehicles are now going past 10-12 feet away from you, at slightly less high speeds. A huge difference. The bike lanes are good for, not just bikers in the bike lanes, but also people who are walking or waiting for the bus or doing anything else on the sidewalks. Including high school kids (WJ, Northwood, Woodward, or any other school).

So, the Northwood students will use the sidewalks, of course. They can also get their bikes to school, either by biking because it really isn't far from the DCC boundaries to Woodward, or by putting their bikes on the bus or the Metro. Yes, people do that. And then, after 2 years, the Woodward kids will be there, from the boundary changes for WJ and the DCC.

Bicyclists, like drivers, shouldn't hit pedestrians no matter where the pedestrians might be.

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Great, so you really have nothing to rebut here?

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

LMAO. Honestly. You have just made up a whole bizarre scenario that is not grounded in anything but your imagination and expect people to take it as fact.

The bizarre scenario of high school students going places and doing things on their own, without cars?

The bizarre scenario of Northwood students being bikes halfway across the county in school buses and their parents cars (or some crazy 1.5 hours on a RideOn) to use bike lanes. You want to defend that? Like seriously?

They're not going to "use bike lanes." They're going to "go places." Just like you go places, except you go in a car. Maybe you should try taking the bus some time, too.

Without bikes then bike lanes are useless for them to “go places”.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

The bike lanes would not have prevented that incident because the ramp still exists.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

LMAO. Honestly. You have just made up a whole bizarre scenario that is not grounded in anything but your imagination and expect people to take it as fact.

The bizarre scenario of high school students going places and doing things on their own, without cars?

The bizarre scenario of Northwood students being bikes halfway across the county in school buses and their parents cars (or some crazy 1.5 hours on a RideOn) to use bike lanes. You want to defend that? Like seriously?

They're not going to "use bike lanes." They're going to "go places." Just like you go places, except you go in a car. Maybe you should try taking the bus some time, too.

Without bikes then bike lanes are useless for them to “go places”.

Ok, they will use the bike lanes to go places. They can also use the bike lanes on e-scooters, of course. Or skateboards, e or non-e. Or they'll use the bike lanes to walk in groups that are too big for the sidewalks. The assumption of "halfway across the county" is a bit odd, too. I could bike pretty comfortably in 40 minutes on a 7-mile route between Northwood and Woodward. From Einstein, which is also in the DCC, it would be much closer, obviously.

There's a whole world out there that you're not seeing from behind the windshield of your car.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

So you agree that bike lanes are not the appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

So you agree that bike lanes are not the appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

Between the Gish Gallop and the goalpost-moving, you're getting a lot of exercise.

Nobody has said bike lanes are not an appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. Quite the opposite: they are a well-known strategy, endorsed by the Federal Highway Administration, for making streets safer for everyone, including pedestrians.

https://highways.dot.gov/safety/proven-safety-countermeasures

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

So you agree that bike lanes are not the appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

Between the Gish Gallop and the goalpost-moving, you're getting a lot of exercise.

Nobody has said bike lanes are not an appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. Quite the opposite: they are a well-known strategy, endorsed by the Federal Highway Administration, for making streets safer for everyone, including pedestrians.

https://highways.dot.gov/safety/proven-safety-countermeasures

Changing goalposts you say? Trying to claim that a bike lane is really for pedestrians is pretty bottom barrel. I also appreciate the need for the last word. Cheers.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

So you agree that bike lanes are not the appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

Between the Gish Gallop and the goalpost-moving, you're getting a lot of exercise.

Nobody has said bike lanes are not an appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. Quite the opposite: they are a well-known strategy, endorsed by the Federal Highway Administration, for making streets safer for everyone, including pedestrians.

https://highways.dot.gov/safety/proven-safety-countermeasures

Changing goalposts you say? Trying to claim that a bike lane is really for pedestrians is pretty bottom barrel. I also appreciate the need for the last word. Cheers.

DP

Why shouldn’t pedestrians be allowed to use a bike lane?

Before cars, everyone used the street. It doesn’t just belong to cars. Or cyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen HS kids we know riding (we assume) to WJ in the morning. I feel safer knowing they are in the bike lane.

Maybe they are riding their bikes now because thanks to these bike lanes their school bus is stuck in traffic and they don’t want to be late for school.

Yes, bikes can be a great, speedy, and efficient transportation option. Active transportation in the morning before school also helps with learning. I'm really glad the WJ kids have a safe option for biking along Old Georgetown to school now. Plenty of WJ kids bike to school and from school, and I know of several who have been hit in the past. The bike lanes and safe sidewalks will also be great when the Woodward building is done and the Northwood kids come for 2 years, and then later when Woodward itself opens, of course.

Woodward is being opened for the primary purpose to alleviate overcrowding in the DCC. It is entirely possible that the boundary would only extend to Garrett Park ES. As a result, although the boundary has not yet been set, there will likely be few if any kids within the “walkshed” or even in a location where they can take advantage of these bike lanes.

As you are also not aware, Northwood is located in Silver Spring so the entire student body will arrive via school bus. The Woodward site has a massive setback with a parking lot and bus staging area in front, much to the chagrin of the former Planning Board chair.

The entire Northwood student body will be offered bus transportation, which is not at all the same as the entire student body will arrive via school bus, or leave via school bus. As you may know, high school students often go places (school, the Giant shopping center, the Wildwood shopping center, Pike and Rose, downtown Bethesda) and do things on their own, and they often use their own feet, or scooters, or bikes, or public buses, to do it. WJ kids do it, Northwood students will too, and so will Woodward students.

It's true that MCPS does like to put all of the car and bus stuff in front, unfortunately given that it's 2023 and not 1960.

I guess there are two things that don’t make sense. First, the sidewalk is not being nor has been widened. I am told repeatedly that bike lanes are for bicycles and if you stand in one as a pedestrian and get hit it’s your own fault (which contradicts what bicyclists say about expectations for cars in roads but that’s another matter). Second, how are the Northwood students going to get their bikes to school to use the bike lanes?

Let me add a third. How have WJ students this far been able to survive and not get hit by cars on Old Georgetown or Democracy, two “stroads” that bound the school without the bike lanes? I’ve lived here for 20 years and that’s never happened once.

As far as I know, no WJ student has been hit and killed, at least not in recent years, but WJ students have certainly been hit and injured on those roads. There's also the 13-year-old who was hit and and almost killed. Given her age, she was probably in middle school, not high school.

When and where were these students hit by cars?

The 13-year-old was hit crossing the on-ramp to the inner loop, just south of the Beltway. https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=31844

You claimed that WJ students were hit. While the incident is unfortunate, that is not a WJ student and it was not during school hours.

I'm not claiming. It's a fact. Why do you think there are those two newish signals on Democracy at WJ? The police don't put out a press release every time there's a car crash. It's not uncommon at all for students all over the county to get hit on their way to school or coming back from school. Just because you personally don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Those “newish signals” are HAWK signals and they were installed a decade ago. You cannot seem to get your story straight.

Yes, they're HAWK signals. No, they weren't installed a decade ago.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Friedson/status/1286732312521179138

So you agree that bike lanes are not the appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

Between the Gish Gallop and the goalpost-moving, you're getting a lot of exercise.

Nobody has said bike lanes are not an appropriate policy response to pedestrian safety. Quite the opposite: they are a well-known strategy, endorsed by the Federal Highway Administration, for making streets safer for everyone, including pedestrians.

https://highways.dot.gov/safety/proven-safety-countermeasures

Changing goalposts you say? Trying to claim that a bike lane is really for pedestrians is pretty bottom barrel. I also appreciate the need for the last word. Cheers.

DP

Why shouldn’t pedestrians be allowed to use a bike lane?

Before cars, everyone used the street. It doesn’t just belong to cars. Or cyclists.

Cyclists believe that bike lanes should be a space exclusively for them. But that they should also be able to use the sidewalk or roadway whenever they want as well.