Jen Hatmaker

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Beth's memoir was one of the best things I have read in years. I think so highly of her after reading it.. And kind of want to try Anglican church too lol.

As someone who has just left the Anglican church beware...it has the same problems all the evangelicals have right now...patriarchy, not believing women, abuse of power. I'm brokenhearted over leaving but from now on if a church doesn't welcome women at the top or gays to be married it is a glaring RED FLAG for me.

Also, the Anglican church had a beautiful liturgy, sense of artistry, and the music was incredible. Such a shame it is led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm not sure I see the logic that moves from "there were problems with the Anglican church I was a part of" to "every church needs to embrace progressive views for me to be a part of it." The second thing doesn't automatically follow from the first unless it's already the direction you were headed anyway. It's the same direction Jen Hatmaker chose.

There are so many churches and denominations that are gay affirming. I will never understand why people will purposely choose to attend a “traditional marriage” church, then complain about it. If you want a progressive church, pick one. Leave the rest alone.

In some respects I agree with you...don't be mad a church for declaring what it believes and if it doesn't align with personal beliefs...find a church that does. However, I will say that even after attending the 'membership meeting' to learn about church history and background, polity, and structure, this was NEVER mentioned. I was also never noted their stance on gay marriage or women ordination. Furthermore, it was never explained that the ACNA came out of a break with the Episcopal church. They leave out a lot of clarifying details when describing the church's values and beliefs, unless you really dig. Sadly, I did not learn details about this years in. They certainly veil their beliefs by the "all are welcome" banner, leaving out some pretty important distinctions about who and HOW all are welcome.

If this is your personal red flag, it’s literally as simple as asking. In the membership meeting would have been the perfect time. “I noticed you didn’t specifically mention gay marriage. Does your church welcome and officiate same sex marriage ceremonies?”. Or, “I see you have no women on staff as pastors. Is this because you do not allow women to become ministers in your church?”.

Your words are “this was never mentioned”. If it’s important to YOU, YOU should mention it.

Point taken. When I joined the ACNA these were not deal breakers for me...they are now. I have learned that these two issues are like canaries in the coal mine.

I never thought to ask of the ACNA church I attended for years, "Do you allow convicted criminals to start church plants?" "Do you welcome known pedophiles into your church on Sunday mornings with families and children attending (without alerting the congregation)?" "Do you ordain pastors who have also been convicted of attempted homicide of their wives?" "When a child is molested by one of your clergy, will you side with the child, or shun their family and sit with the perpetrator in court?" "When another church has defrocked a pastor due to solicitation of a prostitute, do you then choose to ordain them in your own church, without letting the congregants or other deacons know?"

I never thought to ask those questions before because they seemed so outlandish.

Each one of these and more have happened in the ACNA. Lesson learned. Every church has its problems but the ACNA has deeply rooted systemic issues that are egregious. It is heartbreaking.

This is some bizarre reasoning. Either a church embraces women pastors and same-sex marriage, two things scripture explicitly rejects, or else it's going to be guilty terrible and egregious crimes of the sort you list here. I'd call that a false dichotomy.

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Anonymous wrote:Every church has problems, because churches are full of people and people have lots of problems. Even progressive churches have problems. Don't just take some random commenters word for it concerning the Anglican church. They're just one person with an opinion. Do your own investigation.

Yes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the pastors and other church leadership don't groom and sexually abuse the members and then when found out, cover it up or deny everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Every church has problems, because churches are full of people and people have lots of problems. Even progressive churches have problems. Don't just take some random commenters word for it concerning the Anglican church. They're just one person with an opinion. Do your own investigation.

Yes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the pastors and other church leadership don't groom and sexually abuse the members and then when found out, cover it up or deny everything.

Of course not. But the notion that dumping the conservative Anglican church for a progressive church is the solution to the issue is completely absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Every church has problems, because churches are full of people and people have lots of problems. Even progressive churches have problems. Don't just take some random commenters word for it concerning the Anglican church. They're just one person with an opinion. Do your own investigation.

Yes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the pastors and other church leadership don't groom and sexually abuse the members and then when found out, cover it up or deny everything.

Of course not. But the notion that dumping the conservative Anglican church for a progressive church is the solution to the issue is completely absurd.

I know “the church hurt me” is trendy. It’s not lost on me that all of this is posted on a Jen Hatmaker board. She’s basically monetizing “church hurt”, and she MADE her own church. But this ain’t it.

“I attended a church for years and never knew (because I never asked, and didn’t really care), they were not gay affirming and therefore I’m hurt!” Does not equate to, “That must be why my pastors were murderers and rapists.”

What the actual?????

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Anonymous wrote:Every church has problems, because churches are full of people and people have lots of problems. Even progressive churches have problems. Don't just take some random commenters word for it concerning the Anglican church. They're just one person with an opinion. Do your own investigation.

Yes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the pastors and other church leadership don't groom and sexually abuse the members and then when found out, cover it up or deny everything.

Of course not. But the notion that dumping the conservative Anglican church for a progressive church is the solution to the issue is completely absurd.

I know “the church hurt me” is trendy. It’s not lost on me that all of this is posted on a Jen Hatmaker board. She’s basically monetizing “church hurt”, and she MADE her own church. But this ain’t it.

“I attended a church for years and never knew (because I never asked, and didn’t really care), they were not gay affirming and therefore I’m hurt!” Does not equate to, “That must be why my pastors were murderers and rapists.”

What the actual?????

Jen literally built a church in her own image. She and her ex set the tone, defined it's mission, and value statements. She was the queen bee.

For her to say that "church hurt her" should be greeted with the biggest eye roll in history. How many people have had such privelidge? It's insane how little self-awareness thsi woman has. Shameless.

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Anonymous wrote:Every church has problems, because churches are full of people and people have lots of problems. Even progressive churches have problems. Don't just take some random commenters word for it concerning the Anglican church. They're just one person with an opinion. Do your own investigation.

Yes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the pastors and other church leadership don't groom and sexually abuse the members and then when found out, cover it up or deny everything.

Of course not. But the notion that dumping the conservative Anglican church for a progressive church is the solution to the issue is completely absurd.

I know “the church hurt me” is trendy. It’s not lost on me that all of this is posted on a Jen Hatmaker board. She’s basically monetizing “church hurt”, and she MADE her own church. But this ain’t it.

“I attended a church for years and never knew (because I never asked, and didn’t really care), they were not gay affirming and therefore I’m hurt!” Does not equate to, “That must be why my pastors were murderers and rapists.”

What the actual?????

Jen literally built a church in her own image. She and her ex set the tone, defined it's mission, and value statements. She was the queen bee.

For her to say that "church hurt her" should be greeted with the biggest eye roll in history. How many people have had such privelidge? It's insane how little self-awareness thsi woman has. Shameless.

Agreed. I remember being absolutely astounded back in 2017 when an acquaintance shared Jen's Good Friday Facebook post in which she compared her being rejected by evangelicals for her switch on gay marriage to Jesus sufferings on the cross, as if the two things were even remotely similar. Talk about narcissistic self-absorption.

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Jen’s dearest of dear super friend reunion post.

I feel like I’ve read the very same post for ten years.

The same words, the same sentiments, the same cloying nauseating humble bragging.

No one in the works has such amazing and dear friends y’all! They really are just too much. The dearest of the dearest true hearts ever!

Girl is just repeating herself these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Jen’s dearest of dear super friend reunion post.

I feel like I’ve read the very same post for ten years.

The same words, the same sentiments, the same cloying nauseating humble bragging.

No one in the works has such amazing and dear friends y’all! They really are just too much. The dearest of the dearest true hearts ever!

Girl is just repeating herself these days.

I could not imagine a more annoying group of women than these circle jerk narcissists. And I don’t even know who all of them are.

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I will tell you all a secret: I have never once seen her Instagram page. I got interested in Jen Hatmaker only from this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I will tell you all a secret: I have never once seen her Instagram page. I got interested in Jen Hatmaker only from this thread.

Hahahah. Oh man, you gotta go look at it! Hysterical.

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"Nobody cheers on each other more than us."

That's a bold statement lol

Has she interviewed and observed every friend group in the entire world and done comparison?

I notice that people who mention that they always have each other's back - I don't know. It's usually people who might benefit from people not having their back sometimes when they're being awful or going in a weird direction. It feels like a manipulative statement like "You can't criticize me or us."

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Anonymous wrote:"Nobody cheers on each other more than us."

That's a bold statement lol

Has she interviewed and observed every friend group in the entire world and done comparison?

I notice that people who mention that they always have each other's back - I don't know. It's usually people who might benefit from people not having their back sometimes when they're being awful or going in a weird direction. It feels like a manipulative statement like "You can't criticize me or us."

nobody has worse grammar than us, either!

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Jen wants us to envy her. Her “tribe” is her narcissist’s fuel.

Jen’s self-esteem is so shallow and brittle that she only gets a sense of her own worth from the knowledge that struggling strangers out there look at her supposed life and want what she supposedly has. Even though, deep down, she knows that her real life is a mere fragment of what she presents to the world. And it eats at her. And keeps her up at night. And makes her reach for wine and gummies and narcotic soothers. Her face, skin, eyes, and voice betray the truth.

The constant I Have The Dearest If Dear Friends!!! posts.

The constant My Family Is The Dearest And Best Ever! I just can’t.

She’s on a bad path. But like all stiff-necked fools she’s never going to course correct. She’s in a real prison.

Don’t envy her.

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I prolly read ten of the Best Girlfriends Ever reunion posts.

Going back to when most of them were actually relevant.

They are all the same the only difference is that this one felt so tired and paint by numbers.

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These braggy girls weekend posts are insufferable every year.

Did Sarah Bessey do the same weight loss surgery Jen did? Or is she on Ozempic? I fail to believe she's gotten that thin just from "not depriving herself" like she says on instagram.