ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

US soccer is doomed if we have to organize kids by BY...just so its easier to pick the Jan/Feb birthdays in order to compete in youth tournaments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Sure there will always be "trapped" players but there will be significantly fewer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

Someone asked how many ECNL boys trapped player are in 8th grade in Maryland today?
My guess is 6 tops

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Are trying to act dumb and just keep this thread going?

The month of your birth does not determine talent. (At the same time- don't change the cutoff date- my kid shouldn't have to play with older kids).

Having more players somehow waters down the talent? What? will all the kids play in the same league now too? So more players to choose from would make your team weaker?

Trapped players will exist no matter the cutoff? So whether I choose April 1 or August 1 or Oct 1...doesn't change the number of trapped players? Do you know a trapped player is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion: https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

USYS CEO talking about how they are going SY and are just working states by state to figure out what the want to do and will release plans end of feb, early march. I think this and last weeks ECNL podcast effectively ends the discussion on "will they or wont they" and USYS is a big one. At least where I leave, even all the pre-mls-next U-littles are playing in USYS leagues.

Skip’s comments seemed to suggest there will be state variance on SY date cutoffs, which seems different than the though that these would be standardized nationally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

US soccer is doomed if we have to organize kids by BY...just so its easier to pick the Jan/Feb birthdays in order to compete in youth tournaments.

Based on actual results, both USYNTs and US Men's National Teams have improved in International competitions since we went to BY from SY!
Dispute that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Point of clarification, there is no blanket change from BY to SY, it is only possible to have either starting in 2026.

RAE in soccer has a good chance to be reduced or at least properly recognized as kids can pick different leagues, BY or SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

US soccer is doomed if we have to organize kids by BY...just so its easier to pick the Jan/Feb birthdays in order to compete in youth tournaments.

Based on actual results, both USYNTs and US Men's National Teams have improved in International competitions since we went to BY from SY!
Dispute that

The USYNT improvement was the point of going to BY and it worked. Of course, at the expense of participation and trapped players. These are the 2 reasons that much of youth soccer didn't want the change to BY and are fighting to get back to SY.

The USMT and USWT would have their performances marginally unaffected by a change in youth birth month cutoff, they would just have a differing mix of birth month players that match that youth age cutoffs oldest players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

US soccer is doomed if we have to organize kids by BY...just so its easier to pick the Jan/Feb birthdays in order to compete in youth tournaments.

Based on actual results, both USYNTs and US Men's National Teams have improved in International competitions since we went to BY from SY!
Dispute that

What are the actual results you are looking at? I see USMNT ranked 4th in 2016- SY. Currently ranked 16th- BY

We should be getting better- if soccer is becoming more popular. But seems to be the opposite. Would be ranked in top 5 if stayed SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

US soccer is doomed if we have to organize kids by BY...just so its easier to pick the Jan/Feb birthdays in order to compete in youth tournaments.

Based on actual results, both USYNTs and US Men's National Teams have improved in International competitions since we went to BY from SY!
Dispute that

I've never heard of anyone caring about how our youth national teams finish in their tournaments, aside from those players and their parents. Of all the things that go into developing a senior national team player, I wonder where those players would rank "the experience of losing in the first round of the knockout stage of the U-17 world cup instead of being eliminated in the group stage."

[Anonymous]

We actually still are waiting for the results of birth year because it went into effect in 2017. That’s 8 years ago only lol. So in effect we really need to examine how our U18 and U17 teams have been performing at a national level? Those kids are the only ones that have only experienced an entire playing career within the birth year format.

That’s what makes this change strange imo because we don’t know the results yet.

Anyone understand what I’m saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We actually still are waiting for the results of birth year because it went into effect in 2017. That’s 8 years ago only lol. So in effect we really need to examine how our U18 and U17 teams have been performing at a national level? Those kids are the only ones that have only experienced an entire playing career within the birth year format.

That’s what makes this change strange imo because we don’t know the results yet.

Anyone understand what I’m saying?

You first have to identify who exactly cares/cared if the USNTs do/did better and then ask yourself why you think changing now is strange and why it happened in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We actually still are waiting for the results of birth year because it went into effect in 2017. That’s 8 years ago only lol. So in effect we really need to examine how our U18 and U17 teams have been performing at a national level? Those kids are the only ones that have only experienced an entire playing career within the birth year format.

That’s what makes this change strange imo because we don’t know the results yet.

Anyone understand what I’m saying?

I understand and you would be correct if this change was only about our national teams, the decision to switch to birth year was made unilaterally and unsupported by the majority of youth soccer. From listening to Skip Gilbert the decision was made by folks that only had the European model experience, the US is very different in that our government doesn't subsidize our youth sports. It was a square peg in a round hole.