ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

Then why do you care if they switch to SY?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

RAE is like saying that statistically there's more car crashes on roads with curves on them and some people drive sports cars.

Because of this we should only drive on strait roads so everyone is equal and there's less car crashes.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

If an age cutoff change changes who is affected by RAE based on their birth month, wouldn't it be a valid excuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

RAE is like saying that statistically there's more car crashes on roads with curves on them and some people drive sports cars.

Because of this we should only drive on strait roads so everyone is equal and there's less car crashes.

Drug and Alcohol use is quite apparent in this failed analogy 😅

[Anonymous]

Relevant to this discussion: https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

USYS CEO talking about how they are going SY and are just working states by state to figure out what the want to do and will release plans end of feb, early march. I think this and last weeks ECNL podcast effectively ends the discussion on "will they or wont they" and USYS is a big one. At least where I leave, even all the pre-mls-next U-littles are playing in USYS leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players
on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

RAE is like saying that statistically there's more car crashes on roads with curves on them and some people drive sports cars.

Because of this we should only drive on strait roads so everyone is equal and there's less car crashes.

I think its a better example of the craziness in denying it.

We have more accidents on roads with curves vs straight roads.
RAE: Statistically appears that curved roads are more dangerous.
You: Nope...all the same...always looking for something to blame...let's keep the same speed limit for both.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

If natural ability was enough, then all the known greats in their sports wouldn't train.

Or, the players that have natural ability use it to train 5x harder and get 5x better than they already are.

This is what's referred to as a players physical ceiling. Some players will only get so good no matter how much they train. Other players players naturally have a higher physical ceiling and with training can become absolutely dominating.

What I'm describing sounds foreign to you because you're all about RAE nonsense + trying to make everyone equal. In the real world this is what high level teams are looking for in players.

Are you saying RAE bias doesn't exist and you have proof that goes against all the studies?

No, I'm saying that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels + if you said the kind of things you've said on this thread about RAE to a coach on a high level team they'll laugh in your face. So would most of the other players and parents involved.

Since many RAE studies used the birth months of athletes at top youth academies to show Q1 and Q2 bias, your statement that it doesn't matter at the highest levels is poppycock

Someone with a kid playing on a highest level team is telling you that RAE doesn't matter at the highest levels and you choose to put your head in the sand.

Whatever it doesn't matter. Either eventually you'll understand what I've relayed or you won't

Seriously dude, siding with a large body of research, facts and figures over a random soccer parent is the exact opposite of having their head in the sand.

Clubs and coaches focusing on short term winning and being ignorant on the relative age effect is problematic for the state of youth soccer, as pointed in in an earlier ECNL podcast.

No, RAE is just another excuse.

Also Rae doesn't change if you switch from SY to BY. The same number of players are affected but it's different birth months.

RAE is like saying that statistically there's more car crashes on roads with curves on them and some people drive sports cars.

Because of this we should only drive on strait roads so everyone is equal and there's less car crashes.

Huh? We know curves are dangerous so we post slower speed limits on curves and use signage, wider lanes, etc. to make curves safer for everyone. Cars are also designed and tested to limit rollovers and make rollovers safer. We don't throw out hands up and not try to make curves safer.

[Anonymous]

RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion: https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

USYS CEO talking about how they are going SY and are just working states by state to figure out what the want to do and will release plans end of feb, early march. I think this and last weeks ECNL podcast effectively ends the discussion on "will they or wont they" and USYS is a big one. At least where I leave, even all the pre-mls-next U-littles are playing in USYS leagues.

That is what the MLSN fanboy is missing, EVERY youth soccer player starts with USYS or AYSO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion: https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

USYS CEO talking about how they are going SY and are just working states by state to figure out what the want to do and will release plans end of feb, early march. I think this and last weeks ECNL podcast effectively ends the discussion on "will they or wont they" and USYS is a big one. At least where I leave, even all the pre-mls-next U-littles are playing in USYS leagues.

That is what the MLSN fanboy is missing, EVERY youth soccer player starts with USYS or AYSO.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

😂
Watch ECNL lose its top competitive players in droves once playdate soccer comes to pass!