It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

[Anonymous]

Oversimplification is the point. If I can get you to buy a simple narrative that presumes your guilt for the sins of others, I can get you to pay me cash for absolution.

Bingo.
This sums it all up. Sadly, a lot of people are buying into it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey. Both sides of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s. Do I have to pay too? Also, will black people have to pay taxes that will pay to pay them back? Hmmmm....

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up.

Exactly.

And for the people who didn’t bother to read, and keep asking this question, YES, you are responsible for reparations.

It doesn’t matter if you are an immigrant who showed up here two years ago, or twenty years ago.

You benefited from a social structure with baked in racism. The institutions that helped you advance in this country, regardless of how hard you “worked,” have been oppressing us for four centuries.

Golly that's awful. Have you looked into Liberia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

That's a very lovely story and you tell it so well...such enthusiasm.

Fact is you can find similar stories from every race and every nation. It's not unique. You show zero sympathy for the trials and tribulations of your fellow man. Why would you expect or deserve reparations for anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

That's a very lovely story and you tell it so well...such enthusiasm.

Fact is you can find similar stories from every race and every nation. It's not unique. You show zero sympathy for the trials and tribulations of your fellow man. Why would you expect or deserve reparations for anything?

Only Black History Matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

That's a very lovely story and you tell it so well...such enthusiasm.

Fact is you can find similar stories from every race and every nation. It's not unique. You show zero sympathy for the trials and tribulations of your fellow man. Why would you expect or deserve reparations for anything?

But we live in America and this is America's story, not that of another nation. Did other immigrants in America suffer this way for 300 years? Waiting...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey. Both sides of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s. Do I have to pay too? Also, will black people have to pay taxes that will pay to pay them back? Hmmmm....

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up.

Exactly.

And for the people who didn’t bother to read, and keep asking this question, YES, you are responsible for reparations.

It doesn’t matter if you are an immigrant who showed up here two years ago, or twenty years ago.

You benefited from a social structure with baked in racism. The institutions that helped you advance in this country, regardless of how hard you “worked,” have been oppressing us for four centuries.

+1

You get the good and the bad that comes with the US. You can't pick and choose, entitled immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

Why don’t you read about something that happened in 2020 instead of 1920? Like blacks murdering blacks and black kids by the thousands every year? It sounds as if you are searching for an excuse for a failed life- reading books about things that happened in 1920 don’t excuse you from being a failure today.

Why don’t you want to accept the fact that the horrible events of 1920 AND 2020 are both the results of four hundred years of slavery, oppression, racism and outright discrimination?

Reparations will help our people get in a better place, and then the process of healing may begin.

DP here. First, that story, if portrayed accurately, is absolutely tragic. I think stories like that deserve to be told and retold.

But you seem to oversimplify history. Slavery was not a government institution from which the American public at large benefited. It was a heinous practice by a fraction of the population, largely rich plantation owners in the South. It was morally reprehensible that US governments turned a blind eye to it, but as history proved it was almost untenable, it took one of the bloodiest civil wars to abolish it.

Today America is largely made up of the descendants of non-slave owning working farmers and waves of slave-wage immigrants. They don’t feel shame and they don’t feel guilt. They feel a lot of sympathy, but they will not write you a blank check.

We should. We (the US) need to atone for atrocities.
- descendant of working farmer

Two things. One, the vast majority of Americans don’t share your sentiment (per polls). Two, should we atone to sweatshop workers in Asia and how much are you willing to pay for it? In this case you directly have benefited from it.

Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

Of course, we should all be thoughtful in our roles as consumers. I'd be open to discussing that if you want to start a thread.

But, here in the US, the government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans. The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

[Anonymous]

All you are after is a cash payout. No dice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey. Both sides of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s. Do I have to pay too? Also, will black people have to pay taxes that will pay to pay them back? Hmmmm....

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up.

Exactly.

And for the people who didn’t bother to read, and keep asking this question, YES, you are responsible for reparations.

It doesn’t matter if you are an immigrant who showed up here two years ago, or twenty years ago.

You benefited from a social structure with baked in racism. The institutions that helped you advance in this country, regardless of how hard you “worked,” have been oppressing us for four centuries.

+1

You get the good and the bad that comes with the US. You can't pick and choose, entitled immigrants.

Well, I suspect many immigrants will not see it that way, especially if you ignore their own histories and call them racist names. And there are more of them than there are of you, so as long as this is a democracy, you may simply be outvoted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

Why don’t you read about something that happened in 2020 instead of 1920? Like blacks murdering blacks and black kids by the thousands every year? It sounds as if you are searching for an excuse for a failed life- reading books about things that happened in 1920 don’t excuse you from being a failure today.

Why don’t you want to accept the fact that the horrible events of 1920 AND 2020 are both the results of four hundred years of slavery, oppression, racism and outright discrimination?

Reparations will help our people get in a better place, and then the process of healing may begin.

DP here. First, that story, if portrayed accurately, is absolutely tragic. I think stories like that deserve to be told and retold.

But you seem to oversimplify history. Slavery was not a government institution from which the American public at large benefited. It was a heinous practice by a fraction of the population, largely rich plantation owners in the South. It was morally reprehensible that US governments turned a blind eye to it, but as history proved it was almost untenable, it took one of the bloodiest civil wars to abolish it.

Today America is largely made up of the descendants of non-slave owning working farmers and waves of slave-wage immigrants. They don’t feel shame and they don’t feel guilt. They feel a lot of sympathy, but they will not write you a blank check.

We should. We (the US) need to atone for atrocities.
- descendant of working farmer

Two things. One, the vast majority of Americans don’t share your sentiment (per polls). Two, should we atone to sweatshop workers in Asia and how much are you willing to pay for it? In this case you directly have benefited from it.

Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

Of course, we should all be thoughtful in our roles as consumers. I'd be open to discussing that if you want to start a thread.

But, here in the US, the government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans. The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

You are blinded by self-righteousness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey. Both sides of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s. Do I have to pay too? Also, will black people have to pay taxes that will pay to pay them back? Hmmmm....

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up.

Exactly.

And for the people who didn’t bother to read, and keep asking this question, YES, you are responsible for reparations.

It doesn’t matter if you are an immigrant who showed up here two years ago, or twenty years ago.

You benefited from a social structure with baked in racism. The institutions that helped you advance in this country, regardless of how hard you “worked,” have been oppressing us for four centuries.

+1

You get the good and the bad that comes with the US. You can't pick and choose, entitled immigrants.

Well, I suspect many immigrants will not see it that way, especially if you ignore their own histories and call them racist names. And there are more of them than there are of you, so as long as this is a democracy, you may simply be outvoted.

I haven't called immigrants racist names or ignored their stories.

-descendent of immigrants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

Why don’t you read about something that happened in 2020 instead of 1920? Like blacks murdering blacks and black kids by the thousands every year? It sounds as if you are searching for an excuse for a failed life- reading books about things that happened in 1920 don’t excuse you from being a failure today.

Why don’t you want to accept the fact that the horrible events of 1920 AND 2020 are both the results of four hundred years of slavery, oppression, racism and outright discrimination?

Reparations will help our people get in a better place, and then the process of healing may begin.

DP here. First, that story, if portrayed accurately, is absolutely tragic. I think stories like that deserve to be told and retold.

But you seem to oversimplify history. Slavery was not a government institution from which the American public at large benefited. It was a heinous practice by a fraction of the population, largely rich plantation owners in the South. It was morally reprehensible that US governments turned a blind eye to it, but as history proved it was almost untenable, it took one of the bloodiest civil wars to abolish it.

Today America is largely made up of the descendants of non-slave owning working farmers and waves of slave-wage immigrants. They don’t feel shame and they don’t feel guilt. They feel a lot of sympathy, but they will not write you a blank check.

We should. We (the US) need to atone for atrocities.
- descendant of working farmer

Two things. One, the vast majority of Americans don’t share your sentiment (per polls). Two, should we atone to sweatshop workers in Asia and how much are you willing to pay for it? In this case you directly have benefited from it.

Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

Of course, we should all be thoughtful in our roles as consumers. I'd be open to discussing that if you want to start a thread.

But, here in the US, the government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans. The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

You are blinded by self-righteousness.

It has nothing to do with me. Sorry you can't see that.

FACT: The US government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans.

SOLUTION: The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

[Anonymous]

All you are after is a cash payout. No dice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nobody is going to give you a dime. Even if they did, nothing would change and you would still have a million excuses. Maybe you could learn something from immigrants who came from far more challenging circumstances.

Far more challenging? I'm reading a book called "White Rage" by Carol Anderson, a professor at Emory. She tells a story of a black man who worked for a brutal plantation owner in the 1920s in Valdosta, GA. He beat the men who worked for him. One day, a man fought back and killed him. In retaliation, the white people lynched 20 random black people. Including a man and his wife. The wife was 8 months pregnant. Her name was Mary Tyler. They tied her up and burned her while she was alive. They cut the baby from her and then when it fell to the ground, it cried. A white man talked over and stomped its head.

None of the white mob got tried or went to jail. Learn some history before you come on her talking about circumstances. You don't know sh!t.

Whether you like it not, black people built this country for free. Did immigrants do that? You clearly don't know your history and sound ignorant. It's sad really.

Why don’t you read about something that happened in 2020 instead of 1920? Like blacks murdering blacks and black kids by the thousands every year? It sounds as if you are searching for an excuse for a failed life- reading books about things that happened in 1920 don’t excuse you from being a failure today.

Why don’t you want to accept the fact that the horrible events of 1920 AND 2020 are both the results of four hundred years of slavery, oppression, racism and outright discrimination?

Reparations will help our people get in a better place, and then the process of healing may begin.

DP here. First, that story, if portrayed accurately, is absolutely tragic. I think stories like that deserve to be told and retold.

But you seem to oversimplify history. Slavery was not a government institution from which the American public at large benefited. It was a heinous practice by a fraction of the population, largely rich plantation owners in the South. It was morally reprehensible that US governments turned a blind eye to it, but as history proved it was almost untenable, it took one of the bloodiest civil wars to abolish it.

Today America is largely made up of the descendants of non-slave owning working farmers and waves of slave-wage immigrants. They don’t feel shame and they don’t feel guilt. They feel a lot of sympathy, but they will not write you a blank check.

We should. We (the US) need to atone for atrocities.
- descendant of working farmer

Two things. One, the vast majority of Americans don’t share your sentiment (per polls). Two, should we atone to sweatshop workers in Asia and how much are you willing to pay for it? In this case you directly have benefited from it.

Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

Of course, we should all be thoughtful in our roles as consumers. I'd be open to discussing that if you want to start a thread.

But, here in the US, the government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans. The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

You are blinded by self-righteousness.

It has nothing to do with me. Sorry you can't see that.

FACT: The US government created and enforced racist policies that directly hurt black Americans.

SOLUTION: The US government - and its people - need to atone for those atrocities.

SOLUTION: policies that will make lasting changes to earlier discriminatory policies. Fix schools, subsidies for homeownership and college. Cash reparations won’t cause lasting change or fix anything, and we can’t afford to do it all, so no to cash reparations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey. Both sides of my family immigrated here in the early 1900s. Do I have to pay too? Also, will black people have to pay taxes that will pay to pay them back? Hmmmm....

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up.

Exactly.

And for the people who didn’t bother to read, and keep asking this question, YES, you are responsible for reparations.

It doesn’t matter if you are an immigrant who showed up here two years ago, or twenty years ago.

You benefited from a social structure with baked in racism. The institutions that helped you advance in this country, regardless of how hard you “worked,” have been oppressing us for four centuries.

+1

You get the good and the bad that comes with the US. You can't pick and choose, entitled immigrants.

Well, I suspect many immigrants will not see it that way, especially if you ignore their own histories and call them racist names. And there are more of them than there are of you, so as long as this is a democracy, you may simply be outvoted.

I haven't called immigrants racist names or ignored their stories.

-descendent of immigrants

Well I think the term "entitled immigrant" is racist and this thread has had worse examples in regards to immigrants. This thread is all about ignoring other people's stories, so that one particular story is favored. Maybe that's only natural when you've been the most disfavored group for so long, but that doesn't make it right.