new Reade/Biden thread

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is why the mainstream media treated Reade with kid gloves.

I'm guessing this was actually out of respect for women. Because the Post and The NY Times didn't want to rule out any woman's story without waiting longer for the facts. They wanted to give their readers a chance to "listen to women" instead of shutting Reade down by exposing what they already knew.


Much of what's below has been known for at least a week among journalists familiar with the story. Fox undoubtedly knew. Fox, of course, continued to promote Reade's story hysterically (and the stupid Eva Murry claim on Saturday).

The NY Times or the WaPo could easily have put all this together for their readers, but they didn't; instead, the mainstream media sat on their hands.
- AP contacted 21 of Reade’s Senate coworkers, including 3 Reade said she told about the abuse, several weeks ago. All 21 denied knowing about it and the chief of staff issued a sharp rebuttal.

- WaPo contract all 5 of the people Reade said could corroborate her story, again weeks ago. 3 denied knowing about it, one confirmed shoulder rubbing but not the fingers, and the fifth confirmed but refused to go on the record.

- Reade's brother initially said he only knew about the shoulder massage. He later changed his story.

- Reade's own changing story, her baffling tweets of support for Biden's role championing women, et cetera.

- A grab bag of Reade's history of multiple sexual and racial (against her as a white woman) harassment claims, defrauding the horse charity, multiple GoFundMes she set up to grift money, lying during her bankruptcy filing. And a variety of bizarre and unnecessary lies (her journalist/PR father was a "powerful defense contractor" and she was a junior Olympic skier in an era when that didn't exist).

To me, the "liberal mainstream media" LISTENED TO WOMEN by holding all this information back instead of publishing a devastating piece. Fox gets no credit, in my book, for shrieking about Reade when they undoubtedly knew all this too.


No, the reason is that the #MeToo movement has gotten so extreme that anyone that doesn't reflexively believe any woman's accusation 100% without question and instantly condemn the man is subjected to scathing backlash. So, they held off, and researched the topic to find the inconsistencies, the issues and concerns and then reported her accusation with full disclosure to show that her claim was very problematic.

And even then, with all the details, there was still a huge backlash, and many people who criticized all of the objections saying that people should just believe Reade and that Biden needed to be removed as the Democratic presidential candidate only on his very problematic allegation. A case that would not even be close to admissible in court was being tried in the court of public opinion and half of the jury refused to read all of the issues and just automatically condemned him.

That's why #BelieveAllWomen is problematic. While false accusations are much smaller and less significant in general, when it comes to public figures, false accusations are significantly more likely to happen and we can't believe all women when it comes to public figures. Such allegations have to be vetted first and this was failed terribly. Fortunately the media was a little more conscientious than the mob.
Anonymous
I agree with most of this. In Biden's case, the mainstream media was afraid of a backlash and of playing into the hands of Fox and the Bernie Bros. These two groups had different motives, but both were more than ready to accept everything uncritically. But I also think that, to some extent, the mainstream media sincerely wanted to hear Reade out.

Which begs the question: whither Me Too?

I think Me Too can and must be salvaged. I was assaulted. Personally, I never bought #BelieveAllWomen, instead I went with #ListenToAllWomen and/or #BelieveWomen as a presumption before investigating.

So how do we get the word out? That to the extent anybody besides Fox, some actresses, and the fringe left is using "Believe All Women," that needs to stop? That the point is very different? That it's about presuming she's telling the truth before investigating and deciding?

Fox will never change. But maybe the Bernie Bloggers will be a little more careful in the future? Or scratch that, maybe they still want to derail Biden and get their guy in.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I agree with most of this. In Biden's case, the mainstream media was afraid of a backlash and of playing into the hands of Fox and the Bernie Bros. These two groups had different motives, but both were more than ready to accept everything uncritically. But I also think that, to some extent, the mainstream media sincerely wanted to hear Reade out.

Which begs the question: whither Me Too?

I think Me Too can and must be salvaged. I was assaulted. Personally, I never bought #BelieveAllWomen, instead I went with #ListenToAllWomen and/or #BelieveWomen as a presumption before investigating.

So how do we get the word out? That to the extent anybody besides Fox, some actresses, and the fringe left is using "Believe All Women," that needs to stop? That the point is very different? That it's about presuming she's telling the truth before investigating and deciding?

Fox will never change. But maybe the Bernie Bloggers will be a little more careful in the future? Or scratch that, maybe they still want to derail Biden and get their guy in.


But maybe the Bernie Bloggers will be a little more careful in the future? Or scratch that, maybe they still want to derail Biden and get their guy in.


ding ding ding

they hate us for not being pure enough more than they want to defeat trump
Anonymous
Left twitter has integrity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Well. They have something anyway. And with their help we'll get four more years of Trump.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


About as much integrity as Fox. That is, integrity enough to keep pushing a story full of holes, that kept changing, and that nobody could confirm.

Listening to Reade is one thing. Calling for Biden to drop out based on this nothing burger is not integrity.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Well. They have something anyway. And with their help we'll get four more years of Trump.


But who cares, better than running Biden instead of Bernie, amIright?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Trying to undermine the Dem primaries based on fake news is not integrity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Trying to undermine the Dem primaries based on fake news is not integrity.


Definitely agree. The progressives have purity tests. And it should evident that their purity does not equate to integrity. When Sanders said that a woman could not be POTUS and Warren called him out on it, the progressives defended Sanders. And here, progressives are more interested in finding a way to disqualify Biden, and try to get their candidate of choice, than in determining whether the allegations are true or not. They are desperate to find a way to push their more progressive agenda. They want to beat Biden because he dared to challenge their progressive platform and candidate and they want that more than they want to actually support a liberal moderate. They will bite off their nose to spite their faces. Period.
Anonymous
Thanks for the laughs!

The comments to Tucker's piece are hammering him. Most of the cons seem to have crawled away.

It's also amusing to watch Tucker do the limbo, twisting frantically between "liberals are hypocrites" and "we all need to be on our guard" against fake claims.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the laughs!

The comments to Tucker's piece are hammering him. Most of the cons seem to have crawled away.

It's also amusing to watch Tucker do the limbo, twisting frantically between "liberals are hypocrites" and "we all need to be on our guard" against fake claims.


^^^ This was to the poor person who thinks Tucker has integrity, although that should be obvious.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Trying to undermine the Dem primaries based on fake news is not integrity.


Definitely agree. The progressives have purity tests. And it should evident that their purity does not equate to integrity. When Sanders said that a woman could not be POTUS and Warren called him out on it, the progressives defended Sanders. And here, progressives are more interested in finding a way to disqualify Biden, and try to get their candidate of choice, than in determining whether the allegations are true or not. They are desperate to find a way to push their more progressive agenda. They want to beat Biden because he dared to challenge their progressive platform and candidate and they want that more than they want to actually support a liberal moderate. They will bite off their nose to spite their faces. Period.


I confess that I don't find Bernie himself so objectionable, although I wanted Warren.

Bernie's supporters, though, are another story. It does look like they tried to undermine the primary process to give their guy another chance. And that they'd prefer Trump over Biden.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.


Trying to undermine the Dem primaries based on fake news is not integrity.


Definitely agree. The progressives have purity tests. And it should evident that their purity does not equate to integrity. When Sanders said that a woman could not be POTUS and Warren called him out on it, the progressives defended Sanders. And here, progressives are more interested in finding a way to disqualify Biden, and try to get their candidate of choice, than in determining whether the allegations are true or not. They are desperate to find a way to push their more progressive agenda. They want to beat Biden because he dared to challenge their progressive platform and candidate and they want that more than they want to actually support a liberal moderate. They will bite off their nose to spite their faces. Period.


I confess that I don't find Bernie himself so objectionable, although I wanted Warren.

Bernie's supporters, though, are another story. It does look like they tried to undermine the primary process to give their guy another chance. And that they'd prefer Trump over Biden.

which tells me that they don't really care about progressive policies really, only that they "stick it to the establishment".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Tucker's lame, self-serving, poorly researched "analysis" is typical Fox junk reporting. Fox is probably worried about a libel suit from Biden after they promoted Reade, in the face of mounting evidence that it was fake news, for so long.


Oh, I am sure they are shaking in their boots.
They actually reported the news as it came out. They reported her statements. They reported the Biden campaign statement. That is what the media is supposed to do - report.
The reporters did not editorialize. They reported.

This is NOT what other media did. The story had been "out there" for a month before some of the media even acknowledged it. And, don't try to explain this away as "Well, they were investigating it." Nope. It doesn't work. Their job is not to decide who is telling the truth. It is to report the statements and let the consumer decide.

And, if you want to go the "fake news" route.... we can talk about CNN and MSNBC and nearly 3 years of fake news when it came to Russia and the Trump campaign. And, there have been NO retractions from these networks.


Stop lying. AP and the Post did their research into Reade's 21 former colleagues and 5 recommended alibis over a week ago, probably several weeks. That's why they didn't do much with this. Fox kept on shrieking and didn't report a single one of the valid problems or questions.


But what would you expect from the faux news channel that just had to report Eva Murry's harassment allegation on Saturday. Even though Biden wasn't at the event Murry claimed, nor was he at the earlier event Murry changed her story to after her first version was refuted. And yet Fox dedicated a long piece to this on Saturday, waxing eloquent about how this would hurt Biden, what it meant for his campaign, how this dovetailed with Reade, and liberal hypocrisy blah blah blah. And burying the key in a single sentence about how Biden was away for sinus surgery, somewhere in the middle of the article, knowing that none of their readers ever reads that far.

That's kinda how this latest Tucker propaganda piece reads: "liberal hypocrisy blah blah blah, but yeah, Reade was lying".
Anonymous
Even Tucker Carlson is questioning Reade's story... LOL

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-questions-timing-tara-reade-allegations-against-joe-biden-081305195.html

I have no doubt that Biden touched her in a manner that would be a no no today, but back then, this kind of stuff was more accepted. #metoo... when I was in my 20s. However, I would never call touching my hair or shoulder sexual harassment. I doubted the story about him putting his hand on her privates, and I still don't believe that one. I don't like Carlson, but he is saying what I have been saying all along.

why did her story change from "he touched my neck and shoulders" back then to now "he put his hands on my privates" just as he got the D nomination? And I am no huge Biden fan. Never was, but he's certainly better than Trump, whom we know by his own words that he would grab women by the pu**ies.


She said not that she was fired for complaining about harassment, much less being penetrated by Joe Biden. She then said she was fired because she refused to serve drinks at an event.”...“It’s notable that before Joe Biden started beating Bernie Sanders in the primary, Tara Reade wasn’t attacking Joe Biden, instead she had effusively positive things to say about him. In 2017, Tara Reade repeatedly praised Joe Biden for his work against sexual assault.”


I actually did have on a few occasions have a man put his hands on my behind, and I would never praise such a man about his work on sexual assault. I would either keep my mouth shut or I would call him out.
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