Closing USAID

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Your glee at the unemployment of 13,706 people is nauseating. I am laying off all my staff because of the USAID shutdowns. The single moms, the dads with kids with cancer, the fresh-faced kids with their first apartment leases. And since my programs are shut down we aren’t stopping that Ebola outbreak in Uganda or preventing babies from getting Malaria in Nigeria. That’s what we all did all day. And we got paid the kind of salaries that people on this board scoff at, and we live in neighborhoods most of you won’t enter. Because we aren’t rolling in dough based on some big USAID fraud, right? We are nurses and social workers who use our skills in other countries.

What the F is WRONG with you?

Why was USAID operating in Hungary?

https://rumble.com/v29a3te-usaid-in-hungary.html

Samantha Power didn't seem to think her mission was helping starving people in Africa, but rather building media operations to take out political opponents.

Fascism has taken hold in Hungary. USAID projects provide soft diplomacy to promote democracy (in this case through a free press) as part of overall global stability efforts. There a reason authoritarian leaders or cheering on this effort to dismantle USAID.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/authoritarian-usaid-elon-musk

Please think through who is supporting the destruction if USAID and what they have to gain from it.

Now you are agreeing that USAID has a primary mission of political interference.

Stopping fascism is kind of important, no?

DP. Not our job. I don’t want Russia buying Facebook ads interfering with our elections and I don’t want to interfere in the internal affairs of another country. Especially an EU member.

The more I learn about USAID from the people DEFENDING USAID the more I dislike it.

Aid in the form of medicine, food, infrastructure development? Awesome. Knock yourself out.

Empire building, journalism (propaganda) and meddling in the internal affairs of another country? No thank you. And frankly, I’m not going to get worked up over Elon and Co. putting a stop to that garbage.

If stopping Orban is so important to you, feel free to go over there and do it yourself. But not in my name.

It may not be "our job" but either we spend a few billion dollars on efforts such as USAID or else we spend trillions in ground wars, sacrificing American blood while destroying the business models of the US companies and the hundreds of thousands they employ around the country.

It is an investment in peace and stability.

You now, arming and training the mujahideen to resist the USSR was an “investment in peace” that whipsawed back on us a couple decades later and directly resulted in trillions of dollars of ground wars and resulted in tens of thousands of American casualties and hundreds of thousands of lost civilian lives.

Maybe, just maybe, it is rational for some of us to believe that well intended foreign interventions can actually raise risks for our country?

Is it perhaps rational that they decrease the risks for our country? Are you an international security expert?

Of course. Reasonable minds can disagree.

But the people who are defending USAID in this thread are the ones accusing the rest of us of not being patriotic; of being nazi-enablers; of being surrender monkeys who care nothing for the safety of our country. I mean, Karl Rove used the same exact talking points twenty years ago.

You don’t find it questionable to be on the same side as anti-democracy leaders in Venezuela, Iran, Hungary, and Russia, who are all celebrating the closure of USAID?

https://www.newsweek.com/usaid-authoritarian-trump-iran-russia-venezuela-nicaragua-2027789

“Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

-George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

I am old enough to remember what a sh!t storm this statement caused. Never thought I would see this mentality embraced from the left side of the aisle. Good lord. The neoconservatives actually won.

Something about patriotism and dissent.

-Barack Obama.

Others are challenging you on your interpretation of events. And you are challenging them on their interpretation. What's the big deal?

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Your glee at the unemployment of 13,706 people is nauseating. I am laying off all my staff because of the USAID shutdowns. The single moms, the dads with kids with cancer, the fresh-faced kids with their first apartment leases. And since my programs are shut down we aren’t stopping that Ebola outbreak in Uganda or preventing babies from getting Malaria in Nigeria. That’s what we all did all day. And we got paid the kind of salaries that people on this board scoff at, and we live in neighborhoods most of you won’t enter. Because we aren’t rolling in dough based on some big USAID fraud, right? We are nurses and social workers who use our skills in other countries.

What the F is WRONG with you?

Why was USAID operating in Hungary?

https://rumble.com/v29a3te-usaid-in-hungary.html

Samantha Power didn't seem to think her mission was helping starving people in Africa, but rather building media operations to take out political opponents.

Fascism has taken hold in Hungary. USAID projects provide soft diplomacy to promote democracy (in this case through a free press) as part of overall global stability efforts. There a reason authoritarian leaders or cheering on this effort to dismantle USAID.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/authoritarian-usaid-elon-musk

Please think through who is supporting the destruction if USAID and what they have to gain from it.

Now you are agreeing that USAID has a primary mission of political interference.

Stopping fascism is kind of important, no?

DP. Not our job. I don’t want Russia buying Facebook ads interfering with our elections and I don’t want to interfere in the internal affairs of another country. Especially an EU member.

The more I learn about USAID from the people DEFENDING USAID the more I dislike it.

Aid in the form of medicine, food, infrastructure development? Awesome. Knock yourself out.

Empire building, journalism (propaganda) and meddling in the internal affairs of another country? No thank you. And frankly, I’m not going to get worked up over Elon and Co. putting a stop to that garbage.

If stopping Orban is so important to you, feel free to go over there and do it yourself. But not in my name.

It may not be "our job" but either we spend a few billion dollars on efforts such as USAID or else we spend trillions in ground wars, sacrificing American blood while destroying the business models of the US companies and the hundreds of thousands they employ around the country.

It is an investment in peace and stability.

You now, arming and training the mujahideen to resist the USSR was an “investment in peace” that whipsawed back on us a couple decades later and directly resulted in trillions of dollars of ground wars and resulted in tens of thousands of American casualties and hundreds of thousands of lost civilian lives.

Maybe, just maybe, it is rational for some of us to believe that well intended foreign interventions can actually raise risks for our country?

Is it perhaps rational that they decrease the risks for our country? Are you an international security expert?

Of course. Reasonable minds can disagree.

But the people who are defending USAID in this thread are the ones accusing the rest of us of not being patriotic; of being nazi-enablers; of being surrender monkeys who care nothing for the safety of our country. I mean, Karl Rove used the same exact talking points twenty years ago.

And the US HAS been safe for the last 20 years where it hasn't directly intervened with the military. So what evidence is there that this strategy is not an effective tool?

We’re presently fighting a proxy war to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in Eastern Europe with a nuclear-armed enemy on the other side; we are deeply entangled in the Gaza mess; we are drone striking people in Africa; we need to permanently fund a Syrian desert prison or terrorists will go free; we are in constant conflict with Iran (which at one time was the closest thing we had to a westernized ally in Middle East but American intervention did a bang up job there USA! USA! USA!); we have promised Taiwan that we would be ready to actively help the island against mainland aggression; and this is just the obvious stuff…. Eventually so many plates are spinning that they’ll all come crashing down. And, not for nothing, it took twenty years for us to see the unintended consequences of Afghanistan intervention.

If this is your definition of safe, okay. Please sign your sons and daughters up. But it is perfectly reasonable for some of us to want this to go in a different direction.

Was Iran truly westernized? Or only sections of major cities, along with the governing elite?

Unfortunately, a lot of what you mention speaks to the role of the US in the world, and the US as an ally. Are we safer not being allies?

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Marco and Lyndsey loved USAID until last week.

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Anonymous wrote:Marco and Lyndsey loved USAID until last week.

What has happened to the men in our country? Why are they all so spineless over two bullies?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

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Anonymous wrote:Marco and Lyndsey loved USAID until last week.

What has happened to the men in our country? Why are they all so spineless over two bullies?

Trying to occupy the space of someone worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

Just another example of soft imperialism from the white liberal elite. Because you think that poor Black and Brown countries can’t take care of themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

By "our" leaders, you mean leaders whom your country's intelligence has handpicked and continues to covertly support financially, military, and politically.

Also, your question reveals you to be an unserious lightweight who has no place in this conversation. Go put the question into Google and start reading. Sometime in the next decade or so, you might catch up. In the meantime, it's OK to shut up and let people who actually know what they're talking about discuss. One of the worst things about native-born Americans, but especially you so-called progressives, is that you think you can just intuit, argue, and mindlessly slogan your way through complex issues. You have contempt for learning, foam at the mouth at any facts that contradict what you'd like to hear, and are too lazy to learn even recent history, much less learn from history. It makes you foolish voters who have squandered the democracy that your founding fathers handed you and dangerous policy makers who are making the world a worse place every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

The monetary part is the IMF and World Bank which the US is not leaving and which, even if we did leave the IMF, would still be what it is which is an expression of globalist economic ideology.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

Just another example of soft imperialism from the white liberal elite. Because you think that poor Black and Brown countries can’t take care of themselves.

You will corrupt from within.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

By "our" leaders, you mean leaders whom your country's intelligence has handpicked and continues to covertly support financially, military, and politically.

Also, your question reveals you to be an unserious lightweight who has no place in this conversation. Go put the question into Google and start reading. Sometime in the next decade or so, you might catch up. In the meantime, it's OK to shut up and let people who actually know what they're talking about discuss. One of the worst things about native-born Americans, but especially you so-called progressives, is that you think you can just intuit, argue, and mindlessly slogan your way through complex issues. You have contempt for learning, foam at the mouth at any facts that contradict what you'd like to hear, and are too lazy to learn even recent history, much less learn from history. It makes you foolish voters who have squandered the democracy that your founding fathers handed you and dangerous policy makers who are making the world a worse place every day.

There are a lot of incorrect assumptions in your post, which I won't address. But I do appreciate:

1) Your reference to Google as a center of knowledge.

2) Your use of the phrase "unserious lightweight."

3) Describing a simple observation as "foaming at the mouth," which seems like exactly what you are doing in your response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bananas. As I wrote in a different thread, I'm an immigrant from subsaharan Africa and every single freaking person in the third world nations USAID controlled with its money knows that they are (were?) the "nice" face of the CIA. I am so glad Americans are finally waking up to this. We all told you for decades and there were news reports, but we were too poor and black and brown and foreign for you guys to care. Now that your fellow white men are telling you USAID is a shambolic front, you should finally listen.

The "Third World" or "global south" or whatever you want to call us poor black and brown people of the world need the U.S. to stop all of its evil, exploitative policies that keep our countries in the position of needing aid. Charity is no substitute for justice.

Whether he is doing it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, Trump is pulling back America's predatory hand and the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. USAID gives with one hand, and takes much more with the other. Just go and let us sort ourselves out without the CIA constantly in the mix engineering regime change and using monetary policy to bind our nations financially so we have to prioritize what America wants.

I'm not from Africa, but another developing country and agree with ALL OF THIS. It's time for some changes.

"Sorting yourselves out" is the thinking of an idealist. Your leaders and neighbors will always be looking out for themselves first. That's a fact of life. Look at the US. We are no different.

But also, what does the CIA have to do with your country's monetary policy?

Just another example of soft imperialism from the white liberal elite. Because you think that poor Black and Brown countries can’t take care of themselves.

Ironic since most of those "countries" have arbitrary boundaries drawn by the same elite.

[Anonymous]

The CIA has nothing to do with monetary policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Marco and Lyndsey loved USAID until last week.

What has happened to the men in our country? Why are they all so spineless over two bullies?

Funny question to ask after progressives have emasculated men for the past generation.

[Anonymous]

Now people think USAID should be spending money on media to take out political leaders not liked by the leadership of the US. Yet people complained about Russia, Iran, China doing these things in US elections.