FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m also excited to see how much better Lewis can be with these new changes.

Chantilly could use boundary shifts as well.

They probably won’t do anything for Chantilly until the big expansion at Centreville is finished.

This is mostly about moving West Springfield kids to Lewis and Langley kids to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This just came in from Robin Lady:

Yesterday, I visited Langley HS and attended their PTSA meeting. There were great questions: expanding MS sports, SR&R including vaping and cell phone usage, budget, and staffing. One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy.

Note the lie: the policy has been continuously modified since 1983, most recently in 2013, which she would have known if she had read the draft policy as the revision history is clearly called out. But of course she's not writing her own communications, unelected PR people are. And not to mention that "saving money" and "pre-k for all" are mutually exclusive.

They're absolutely setting out to give the bureaucracy carte blanche to change boundaries around to meet their equity agenda, as long as they can claim it will save money. School board will rubber stamp and boom.... everybody gets a mediocre learning environment with lots of distractions.

Is there a longer commute in FCPS that the Herndon houses zoned to Langley? Maybe Langley can trade those middle class neighborhoods for Westmont

There is no longer commute in FCPS than Forestville ES and western Great Falls ES to Langley. Next closest in terms of length would be some commutes to South County, Lake Braddock, and Robinson, given the location of those two schools, followed by the commutes some kids with Herndon addresses now have to Oakton.

Where is Westmont?

If the Langley neighborhoods want to avoid getting moved to Herndon (because that's where this appears to be headed), they should argue that Herndon needs its excess capacity to absorb future growth in the Westfield area due to future Silver Line growth and that, if any part of McLean is to be redistricted, it should be an area that can move to Falls Church rather than Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This just came in from Robin Lady:

Yesterday, I visited Langley HS and attended their PTSA meeting. There were great questions: expanding MS sports, SR&R including vaping and cell phone usage, budget, and staffing. One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy.

Note the lie: the policy has been continuously modified since 1983, most recently in 2013, which she would have known if she had read the draft policy as the revision history is clearly called out. But of course she's not writing her own communications, unelected PR people are. And not to mention that "saving money" and "pre-k for all" are mutually exclusive.

They're absolutely setting out to give the bureaucracy carte blanche to change boundaries around to meet their equity agenda, as long as they can claim it will save money. School board will rubber stamp and boom.... everybody gets a mediocre learning environment with lots of distractions.

Is there a longer commute in FCPS that the Herndon houses zoned to Langley? Maybe Langley can trade those middle class neighborhoods for Westmont

There is no longer commute in FCPS than Forestville ES and western Great Falls ES to Langley. Next closest in terms of length would be some commutes to South County, Lake Braddock, and Robinson, given the location of those two schools, followed by the commutes some kids with Herndon addresses now have to Oakton.

Where is Westmont?

If the Langley neighborhoods want to avoid getting moved to Herndon (because that's where this appears to be headed), they should argue that Herndon needs its excess capacity to absorb future growth in the Westfield area due to future Silver Line growth and that, if any part of McLean is to be redistricted, it should be an area that can move to Falls Church rather than Langley.

https://www.neighborhoods.com/westmont-mclean-va

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This just came in from Robin Lady:

Yesterday, I visited Langley HS and attended their PTSA meeting. There were great questions: expanding MS sports, SR&R including vaping and cell phone usage, budget, and staffing. One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy.

Note the lie: the policy has been continuously modified since 1983, most recently in 2013, which she would have known if she had read the draft policy as the revision history is clearly called out. But of course she's not writing her own communications, unelected PR people are. And not to mention that "saving money" and "pre-k for all" are mutually exclusive.

They're absolutely setting out to give the bureaucracy carte blanche to change boundaries around to meet their equity agenda, as long as they can claim it will save money. School board will rubber stamp and boom.... everybody gets a mediocre learning environment with lots of distractions.

Is there a longer commute in FCPS that the Herndon houses zoned to Langley? Maybe Langley can trade those middle class neighborhoods for Westmont

There is no longer commute in FCPS than Forestville ES and western Great Falls ES to Langley. Next closest in terms of length would be some commutes to South County, Lake Braddock, and Robinson, given the location of those two schools, followed by the commutes some kids with Herndon addresses now have to Oakton.

Where is Westmont?

If the Langley neighborhoods want to avoid getting moved to Herndon (because that's where this appears to be headed), they should argue that Herndon needs its excess capacity to absorb future growth in the Westfield area due to future Silver Line growth and that, if any part of McLean is to be redistricted, it should be an area that can move to Falls Church rather than Langley.

https://www.neighborhoods.com/westmont-mclean-va

Don't see them creating a split feeder at Chesterbrook just to move a tiny neighborhood with a few HS kids to Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This just came in from Robin Lady:

Yesterday, I visited Langley HS and attended their PTSA meeting. There were great questions: expanding MS sports, SR&R including vaping and cell phone usage, budget, and staffing. One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy.

Note the lie: the policy has been continuously modified since 1983, most recently in 2013, which she would have known if she had read the draft policy as the revision history is clearly called out. But of course she's not writing her own communications, unelected PR people are. And not to mention that "saving money" and "pre-k for all" are mutually exclusive.

They're absolutely setting out to give the bureaucracy carte blanche to change boundaries around to meet their equity agenda, as long as they can claim it will save money. School board will rubber stamp and boom.... everybody gets a mediocre learning environment with lots of distractions.

Is there a longer commute in FCPS that the Herndon houses zoned to Langley? Maybe Langley can trade those middle class neighborhoods for Westmont

There is no longer commute in FCPS than Forestville ES and western Great Falls ES to Langley. Next closest in terms of length would be some commutes to South County, Lake Braddock, and Robinson, given the location of those two schools, followed by the commutes some kids with Herndon addresses now have to Oakton.

Where is Westmont?

If the Langley neighborhoods want to avoid getting moved to Herndon (because that's where this appears to be headed), they should argue that Herndon needs its excess capacity to absorb future growth in the Westfield area due to future Silver Line growth and that, if any part of McLean is to be redistricted, it should be an area that can move to Falls Church rather than Langley.

https://www.neighborhoods.com/westmont-mclean-va

Don't see them creating a split feeder at Chesterbrook just to move a tiny neighborhood with a few HS kids to Langley.

Maybe they can take Chesterbroo and give Forestville to Herndon. It makes Langley richer and alleviates crowding at McLean. That's a win win for Dranesville

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This just came in from Robin Lady:

Yesterday, I visited Langley HS and attended their PTSA meeting. There were great questions: expanding MS sports, SR&R including vaping and cell phone usage, budget, and staffing. One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy.

Note the lie: the policy has been continuously modified since 1983, most recently in 2013, which she would have known if she had read the draft policy as the revision history is clearly called out. But of course she's not writing her own communications, unelected PR people are. And not to mention that "saving money" and "pre-k for all" are mutually exclusive.

They're absolutely setting out to give the bureaucracy carte blanche to change boundaries around to meet their equity agenda, as long as they can claim it will save money. School board will rubber stamp and boom.... everybody gets a mediocre learning environment with lots of distractions.

Is there a longer commute in FCPS that the Herndon houses zoned to Langley? Maybe Langley can trade those middle class neighborhoods for Westmont

There is no longer commute in FCPS than Forestville ES and western Great Falls ES to Langley. Next closest in terms of length would be some commutes to South County, Lake Braddock, and Robinson, given the location of those two schools, followed by the commutes some kids with Herndon addresses now have to Oakton.

Where is Westmont?

If the Langley neighborhoods want to avoid getting moved to Herndon (because that's where this appears to be headed), they should argue that Herndon needs its excess capacity to absorb future growth in the Westfield area due to future Silver Line growth and that, if any part of McLean is to be redistricted, it should be an area that can move to Falls Church rather than Langley.

https://www.neighborhoods.com/westmont-mclean-va

Don't see them creating a split feeder at Chesterbrook just to move a tiny neighborhood with a few HS kids to Langley.

Maybe they can take Chesterbroo and give Forestville to Herndon. It makes Langley richer and alleviates crowding at McLean. That's a win win for Dranesville

The most likely thing will be that the part of Spring Hill zoned to McLean will move to Langley and Forestville will move to Herndon. Spring Hill is a split feeder and the McLean area is an attendance island; Chesterbrook is neither.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

You’d be wise to tell your SB representative that, since it is clear she’s going to try to jam you with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.

Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.

Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.

Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.

Exactly this. The current enrollment went from 2,341 last year to 2,335 this year. Net loss of SIX kids. Five year projection went down 409 students and a decrease from current enrollment of 415 students. Who loses 415 students in five years?!? This is an absolute scandal.

Imagine they move Forestville to Herndon and then have Herndon out in modulars. That’s where we are headed. And that falls squarely on Robyn Lady.

[Anonymous]

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Where did that hundred million figure come from? We're in a bottom of the barrel pyramid and my tax assessment is sky high and keeps going up at an accelerating rate. There is absolutely no decrease in taxes just because you think you should have one based on schools.

Go find two houses that are near each other, one zoned for Langley and one zoned for Herndon. Do the math on the price per square foot. The difference is about 25%.

[Anonymous]

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Exactly this. The current enrollment went from 2,341 last year to 2,335 this year. Net loss of SIX kids. Five year projection went down 409 students and a decrease from current enrollment of 415 students. Who loses 415 students in five years?!? This is an absolute scandal.

Imagine they move Forestville to Herndon and then have Herndon out in modulars. That’s where we are headed. And that falls squarely on Robyn Lady.

If you go back and look at the CIP projections from the past 10 years vs. what actually happened, you'll find that we would have been better off having monkeys throw their feces at a board full of numbers than having the FCPS staff try to predict attendance. But of course they are making their predictions not for accuracy, but for political aims. They were planning to force through socioeconomic redistricting back in 2019, lined up with when Herndon's giant, unnecessary addition would have been completed, but the uproar and recall campaigns got in the way and there was an election coming up. So they kept quiet about it, thinking they'd do it under the next school board, but the pandemic got in the way. Now they're following the same playbook, don't talk about boundaries until a new board is in with 4 years ahead of them, then do it in the name of fiscal prudence (while continuing to increase spending in all areas, of course.)