Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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“The federal prosecutors working on the case watched the aide’s appearance before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot and were just as astonished by her account of former President Donald J. Trump’s increasingly desperate bid to hold on to power as other viewers. The panel did not provide them with videos or transcripts of her taped interviews with committee members beforehand, according to several officials, leaving them feeling blindsided," The Times reported.”

I’m laughing at this right now. Maybe SOME DOJ officials were blindsided. Highly doubt the actual prosecutors on this were. NYT sources are highly suspect.

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Anonymous wrote:I am up early for no good reason, and the news just showed a “now deleted” tweet from Rudy Colludy saying Cassidy is clearly lying because she wasn’t there when he asked for his pardon ;p

These people are so stupid it hurts

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Anonymous wrote:The secret service has a long history of lying.

Ornato and Engel can’t admit they told anyone what Trump did in the car because it’s a serious breach of security protocol to gossip about stupid shit that their protectees do and say. Discretion is more sacred than truth.

No, it’s not. Not when you’re watching an attempted coup play out. It sounds like even the secret service guys were in a pickle that day. Just like everyone else that worked in proximity to Trump. DOD officials, etc. The truth will set them all free.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

I honestly think DOJ has enough, if they haven’t done it already, to get those.

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Anonymous wrote:Committee just subpoenaed Pat Cippolone. 🍿

Hmm. He'll fight it, I presume, just like the other losers.

He might not.
These guys are gonna go down.
He has an off ramp here.

You'd think. The classic method of a hearing, which to have the small fry testify so they can implicate the bigger fry in the hope that they will testify and incriminate the big fish, has worked in the past. But the Trump group is one tough nut to crack, PP. I'm sure some of these folks still believe they have enough supporters to carry the mid-terms and 2024 Presidency, and that their careers are best served sticking to lies.

They've been mighty light on him so far. Most of the testimony about him has been him objecting to various schemes. He'd also be very credible and isolate the scheme to the most political/MAGA of the cast of characters. They also puffed up Elaine Chao (McConnell) and (billionaire) Betsy DeVos. Liz is making a play. Once the primaries are over then Trump has no benefit other than as a fundraiser, which is not something he does for other people.

Watch Laura Ingraham for tea leaves. I hate this timeline.

So you're afraid that since the last primaries are in September, the Jan 6th committee won't really get going with the major witnesses until then? And at that point, they might be under pressure not to continue because it would be too close to the mid-terms?

Cipollline is the only major witness with any credibilty. The rest are clowns. If they get him to testify then it's game over.

Trump's power among Republicans will be at it's ebb and his utility will be low then. It'd be the last time the GOP could switch horses for 2024.


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I don’t think you truly understand what’s going. MAGA isn’t Trump. All Trump did is show Americans that we can have a strong America with America first policies. Biden driving the country into decline has made that very clear. That’s why you are seeing huge political wins in primaries by MAGA people. Put him in front of a firing squad, as people push here and you’ll see the movement explode. The only way Democrats will be able to stop MAGA is by becoming the equivalent of East Germany.

LOL. Looks like MAGA is finally severing ties with Trump and trying to rewrite their story.

They are hoping to tie this to Trump and inner most circle, dump him, and rebrand. Never mind that most of GOP actively contributed to the events that led to Jan 6 and the disinformation and lies since.

They are dangerous because they have not yet learned anything from the terror they orchestrated and that endangered their own lives.

THIS! Even Cheney and Kinzinger want to do this, that’s why they wanted to be on the panel (well Cheney, Kinzinger isn’t strategic enough, but Liz is her fathers daughter). I’ve accepted to get some of the MAGA we’re going to have to pretend Pence was a “hero” even though he did Everything. He. Could. to go along with the scheme. Remember he went so far to ask Dan Quayle for advice. Going to the bottom of the barrel hoping someone would say Go For It.
Steve Engel, Jeffrey Rosen, “Team Normal” Bill Stepien who was too chicken poop to attend the hearing … all these guys hands are dirty. But Cheney is trying to give “good republicans” an out.

Yes. It looks as if it will crack soon and be every man for himself. Has desantis said anything about these hearings yet? Or is he just quietly biding his time? Feel like niki Haley has also been quiet.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

I honestly think DOJ has enough, if they haven’t done it already, to get those.

But what kind of evidence do they need?

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

I honestly think DOJ has enough, if they haven’t done it already, to get those.

But what kind of evidence do they need?

The kind we just saw. Evidence that the devices were used in a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

I honestly think DOJ has enough, if they haven’t done it already, to get those.

But what kind of evidence do they need?

The kind we just saw. Evidence that the devices were used in a crime.

Pp here. But presumably they need to go before a judge to identify which crime? And does it just need to be “reasonable” belief standard? I’m not a criminal lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:“The federal prosecutors working on the case watched the aide’s appearance before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot and were just as astonished by her account of former President Donald J. Trump’s increasingly desperate bid to hold on to power as other viewers. The panel did not provide them with videos or transcripts of her taped interviews with committee members beforehand, according to several officials, leaving them feeling blindsided," The Times reported.”

I’m laughing at this right now. Maybe SOME DOJ officials were blindsided. Highly doubt the actual prosecutors on this were. NYT sources are highly suspect.

They are blindsided because they are not actually doing anything. Now they have to scramble because the committee gave proof of witness intimidation. Something DOJ is always saying is a big thing they will prosecute. Basically the committee is shaming DOJ in to doing something. DOJ is a joke. Do not look for DOJ to do anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows really came out as both ineffective and a horrible person. The worst possible Chief of Staff for Trump. Shirking the responsibilities of his position, hiding from bad news so others had to break it to Trump and experience his rage, not showing any interest in doing anything except scrolling his phone and talking with his buddy Jim Jordan.

He wasn’t “scrolling on his phone!” He was most likely coordinating with the Rep Perry/ Roger Stone/ insurrectionists on his burner phone. I think one of the reasons that Hutchinson spoke so much about “Mark being on his phone“ is because once Jan6 get Meadows Signal texts, they’ll be able to match it up with her testimony of what he was doing while she was relaying the horrors of what was going on.

I think her testimony could actually be a good basis for a warrant to seize the phone! She mentioned it quite a lot…

That, and the times she mentioned where she was coming to relay info to Meadows about how things were going out of control but Meadows was talking to someone on the phone and pulled the door shut on her - and she mentioned he rarely ever did that prior. Who was on the other end of those phone calls, what was so urgent for Meadows that he shut his aide out?

Have any of you read the texts Meadows voluntarily released to the committee? The deluge of texts from terrified GOP congressman was impressive, Meadows was fully aware of the terror at Capitol.

Democrats should take those texts and mail a flyer to every shingle person in their districts.

It’s not Meadows’ official texts, he released those so we would gobble up the palace intrigue that Hannity was text him. It’s his Signal messages that will pin him to a wall. He was coordinating.

I honestly think DOJ has enough, if they haven’t done it already, to get those.

But what kind of evidence do they need?

The kind we just saw. Evidence that the devices were used in a crime.

Pp here. But presumably they need to go before a judge to identify which crime? And does it just need to be “reasonable” belief standard? I’m not a criminal lawyer.

Probably cause, just like any other warrant. The testimony about the presidents state of mind, Meadows’ knowledge, and actions. The underlying crime is at least incitement.

“The Supreme Court has defined “probable cause” as an officer’s reasonable belief, based on circumstances known to that officer, that a crime has occurred or is about to occur. See Carroll v. United States, 267 U.S. 132, 149 (1925). An officer may establish probable cause with witness statements and other evidence, including hearsay evidence that would not be admissible at trial. An officer’s suspicion or belief, by itself, is not sufficient to establish probable cause. Aguilar v. Texas, 378 U.S. 108, 114-15 (1964).”

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Anonymous wrote:“The federal prosecutors working on the case watched the aide’s appearance before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot and were just as astonished by her account of former President Donald J. Trump’s increasingly desperate bid to hold on to power as other viewers. The panel did not provide them with videos or transcripts of her taped interviews with committee members beforehand, according to several officials, leaving them feeling blindsided," The Times reported.”

I’m laughing at this right now. Maybe SOME DOJ officials were blindsided. Highly doubt the actual prosecutors on this were. NYT sources are highly suspect.

They are blindsided because they are not actually doing anything. Now they have to scramble because the committee gave proof of witness intimidation. Something DOJ is always saying is a big thing they will prosecute. Basically the committee is shaming DOJ in to doing something. DOJ is a joke. Do not look for DOJ to do anything.

Mmm, not sure about that. NYT sources are suspect. Could be someone intentionally left out of the loop. The prosecutors are not talking.

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I don’t think you truly understand what’s going. MAGA isn’t Trump. All Trump did is show Americans that we can have a strong America with America first policies. Biden driving the country into decline has made that very clear. That’s why you are seeing huge political wins in primaries by MAGA people. Put him in front of a firing squad, as people push here and you’ll see the movement explode. The only way Democrats will be able to stop MAGA is by becoming the equivalent of East Germany.

A "strong America" isn't a bunch of white men intimidating other citizens with guns and trying to overthrow the government when the majority votes against them. America certainly isn't strong when led by the sorts of people who, when presented with evidence of an attempted coup, get hung up on whether the leader of the insurrection was driving a Ford or a Chevy. Democrats, and some brave Republicans like Liz Cheney, are standing for democracy against right-wing authoritarians. That's a strong America.

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Anonymous wrote:“The federal prosecutors working on the case watched the aide’s appearance before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot and were just as astonished by her account of former President Donald J. Trump’s increasingly desperate bid to hold on to power as other viewers. The panel did not provide them with videos or transcripts of her taped interviews with committee members beforehand, according to several officials, leaving them feeling blindsided," The Times reported.”

I’m laughing at this right now. Maybe SOME DOJ officials were blindsided. Highly doubt the actual prosecutors on this were. NYT sources are highly suspect.

They are blindsided because they are not actually doing anything. Now they have to scramble because the committee gave proof of witness intimidation. Something DOJ is always saying is a big thing they will prosecute. Basically the committee is shaming DOJ in to doing something. DOJ is a joke. Do not look for DOJ to do anything.

Mmm, not sure about that. NYT sources are suspect. Could be someone intentionally left out of the loop. The prosecutors are not talking.

The committee slapped DOJ in the face.

Our committee commonly asks witnesses connected to Mr. Trump's administration or campaign whether they've been contacted by any of their former colleagues or anyone else who attempted to influence or impact their testimony," Cheney continued.

The congresswoman then shared two samples of answers the panel received to that question, without identifying any of the involved parties.

In response to the examples—which were also shared in full on the committee's Twitter account—Congresswoman Marie Newman, D-Ill., who is not on the panel, said: "Witness intimidation. Clear as day.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/29/this-is-clear-witness-intimidation-jan-6-committee-teases-evidence-of-cover-up-effort_partner/

This is on going- ie is happening now. If this was a mob trial and witnesses were being intimidated do you think they would be sitting on their hands? This is ridiculous.

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I don’t think you truly understand what’s going. MAGA isn’t Trump. All Trump did is show Americans that we can have a strong America with America first policies. Biden driving the country into decline has made that very clear. That’s why you are seeing huge political wins in primaries by MAGA people. Put him in front of a firing squad, as people push here and you’ll see the movement explode. The only way Democrats will be able to stop MAGA is by becoming the equivalent of East Germany.

A "strong America" isn't a bunch of white men intimidating other citizens with guns and trying to overthrow the government when the majority votes against them. America certainly isn't strong when led by the sorts of people who, when presented with evidence of an attempted coup, get hung up on whether the leader of the insurrection was driving a Ford or a Chevy. Democrats, and some brave Republicans like Liz Cheney, are standing for democracy against right-wing authoritarians. That's a strong America.

+1. Get some better leadership republicans. Nothing wrong with a strong republican party but right now it is elevating some low life criminals. Get a better candidate.