“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who know:
would the liberal justices or their staff even have access to a draft being crafted by the majority to which they are not a party?

This doesn't seem likely to me.

Yes, they all do.

Wouldn't the young (and presumably idealistic/activist) clerks be the most likely suspects?

Have you ever met a SCOTUS clerk? They are all rule followers. Not a chance one would do this without direction from a justice.

It pretty obviously came from the right. There is no benefit to the left in the leak. The right benefits a lot:
- Get to focus lots of attention and outrage on who the leaker is and blame the left, instead of focusing on the extremely unpopular decision
- Lock in any wavering member of the majority- any changes to the draft will be blamed on being cowed by the "woke mob"
- Get to soften the blow because when the final decision hits in June, it is two-month old news

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The twitter thread from the former SC clerk linked above points out how it’s the GOP who keeps violating norms to suit their whims. Of course they did it here.

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..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

You mean a draft opinion that is part of a lengthy deliberatively process within the Court before a final opinion is ultimately voted on and released? You mean that draft opinion?

Yes. That opinion. (Why do you think your overstatement is helpful? Who do you think it is helpful for?)

For emotionally-charged people like you who are inappropriately drawing sweeping conclusions without proper context or the facts.

Hon. [sweeps at the thousands of forced birth laws enacted in the last ten years] HON.

It is YOU who lacks context and facts. What you’re doing is gaslighting us. Or maybe yourself. But you’re not the level headed, above the fray thinker you think you are; you’re just pig ignorant.

Keep up the unfounded rhetoric and name calling. You're simply proving the point made above.

It’s not unfounded rhetoric. You just literally have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re out of your league, son.

And I didn’t call you names. I made a judgment on your knowledge. I stand by it.

You realize that you have said (to date) nothing of substance, right? But keep on attacking and making (very incorrect) judgements, including your judgement about my gender.

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Mississippi is a stand your ground state so that you have no duty to retreat or to use non-lethal methods of protection, even if it's to protect *property* not life.
I know most of the GOP aren't sincerely pro life from conception to natural death, but good lord...
how can they say they want to protect life when they pass other laws that literally make killing someone over a bag of chips OK?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are so worried about keeping a sack of cells alive inside a woman as she must give up her body to do so. But once a child is born, if it needs any organ whatsoever, the father is not legally required to provide it.
Sorry John, your son needs a heart transplant so we're taking yours. #prolife
Hell you can't even legally force the dad to donate blood after their child is born.

They don’t care about the contents of the uterus, they care about making life as godawful as possible for as many women as possible. They hate women. They want to punish us and cause pain.

Frankly, I’m sick of being involved in the weird fetishes of right wingers as we are here. They can off privately and engage in their bizarre acts alone and leave the rest of the country out of it.

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The baseless conspiracy theories about the leak being thrown around this thread put many of you in the same league as the Far Right nuts and their conspiracy theories.

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Golly the few forced birthers on here are super butthurt over the fact that no one agrees with their flavor of fascist misogyny.

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It's amazing how many people are ok with the leak because they think it will help the left in the mid terms. If this happened 3 years ago, there would be calls for treason charges.

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Anonymous wrote:The baseless conspiracy theories about the leak being thrown around this thread put many of you in the same league as the Far Right nuts and their conspiracy theories.

You know Roberts confirmed the opinion is real, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how many people are ok with the leak because they think it will help the left in the mid terms. If this happened 3 years ago, there would be calls for treason charges.

Psssssst. A right winger probably leaked this.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how many people are ok with the leak because they think it will help the left in the mid terms. If this happened 3 years ago, there would be calls for treason charges.

Not seeing a lot of people who think the leak is OK. We are more focused on the substance because, holy crap.

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Someone should set up a crowd sourced list of Republican women who have had IVF and abortions. They usually can’t shut up about them at the time they happen. I’m not encouraging anyone to violate HIPPA. Burn them.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should set up a crowd sourced list of Republican women who have had IVF and abortions. They usually can’t shut up about them at the time they happen. I’m not encouraging anyone to violate HIPPA. Burn them.

Oh man - please do this. I would LOVE to see this. Or the list of Republicans who have made their mistresses get abortions.

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I’m not a GOP supporter and I’m NOT ok with the leak. But now that it’s out, I’m not going to pretend to be more outraged over the leak than the actual issue at hand. Whoever leaked it should face the just punishment. For me, this is secondary to the issue at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:The baseless conspiracy theories about the leak being thrown around this thread put many of you in the same league as the Far Right nuts and their conspiracy theories.

You know Roberts confirmed the opinion is real, right?

It's not about whether the draft is real or not, but who leaked the draft and why.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a lengthy opinion when all they have to say is “because the Catholic Church is against abortion.”

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And more appalling that these were judges appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote.

We are no longer a functional representative democracy.

We were never a functional representative democracy. Since the founding of this country, we've been ruled by a wealthy minority -- a minority that tells us to what to think, what to say, what to do, what to eat, where to work, etc.

That happens by consent. When the consent is no longer there, then things change. This country has changed a lot since its founding. Those of us who didn't sleep through school, or through any stories from family members or friends, know this.

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What people understand and were willing to believe has changed a lot.

So far one thing I know to be true, the GOP doesn’t care about America or the women who live here. If they did:

I don’t think they will change the filibuster but maybe Collins, Murkowski, and the Ds can whip up 60 votes to protect women?

Susan "but he promised me he'd uphold Roe" Collins???? LOLOLOL.

Time for her and others to step up to protect women.

The overwhelming majority of abortions are performed early in pregnancy. Why not pass a bill preserving access to abortions before 16 weeks (that is almost all of them).

I will never forget what made Ireland of all places change their stance. A 17 week pregnancy (that was wanted) went wrong, I can't remember why but they couldn't give her an abortion due to Ireland's laws. The woman died and Ireland took a second look and changed their laws. There are many more reasons to keep abortion in place than just choice itself.

This, and they don't always find out about fatal birth defects until the 20 week ultrasound. That's why the 24 weeks made sense even though only a tiny amount of abortions would happen at that time. I heard this lunatic Oklahoma legislator (female) speaking today about their trigger law that will ban all abortions, even for rape and incest.