Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:What some of you don't get us that when you make these flippant, gossipy comments about whether or not Ryan is abusive, it is rude towards people who have experienced spousal abuse. Sure, this is an entertainment thread, but that doesn't mean we just say crappy things about domestic violence for kicks. And guess what, DV survivors also enjoy celebrity gossip and shouldn't be confronted with casual commentary about abuse (based purely on speculation) loaded with misogynist or victim-blaming judgment.

If you were discussing this case at a cocktail party with neighbors or people from work, would you just casually say "Whatever, everyone knows Ryan is an abuser, but Blake sucks and is too weak to leave him, what a loser"?

If yes, you are a trash person and I don't say that as a defender of Blake, I say that as a person who gives a $hit about other human beings and tries not to be horrible to them for sport.

Oh, what!? I'm a victim of spouse abuse and I don't think Blake is a victim but I've also worked in PR and if she wants to come out sort of clean she had better play that up. It's basically the only thing that's her hail Mary pass, she's abused and controlled by her husband who is a notorious ass control freak. That's the sympathy line. She should run with that if she wants to preserve her reputation because right now she's the horrible person who destroyed me too. I think RR was behind all of this from the beginning and she's not abused, busy she's a D list nobody without him so it gets...weird.

I am mostly pro-Lively and have been commenting here on the legal issues. Some of the anti-Lively posts from the last page sound disconnected from reality. It is like when people start going down a wormhole of men’s rights YouTube videos, except it’s anti-Lively propaganda. Are you reading Reddit and watching TikToks hating on her for three hours a day? Because this hate is off the charts.

— Lively needs to say she was “abused and controlled by her husband who is a notorious ass control freak” who “was behind all of this from the beginning.” This abuse narrative is not based on real, provable facts.

— You “have eyes and ears. We see them whispering things to each other and to their teams, we see their body language.” You don’t know what they are whispering. You do not really know what they are saying or what their movements say.

— “There are people on this thread, trying to manipulate and it’s not working. It’s it at all a reach to say that Ryan is controlling. You can tell it in his movements and when he’s out in public and the way he interacts with her.” This is not based in fact. The first statement is pure paranoia. The rest is pure speculation.

“Finally, some of us have had a little more insider information about these people.” Oh come on.

You guys sound bananas. And now you are dissecting what a “lip reader” said that Lively and Reynolds said to one another during the Time event? (Is that what you mean by last week’s event? I tried to google it. I don’t know what you’re talking about.) You are so far down whatever algorithm you are on you don’t seem to get how disconnected you are. This is not normal. Come back!!

Well, someone is bananas but it isn’t us. Can you at least agree that Ryan using her law suit as fodder for humor in front of a national audience on SNL was troubling? Or are you too deep in denial?

No response? Says it all.

You guys are completely making up facts about Lively and Reynolds, but somehow my opinion on a one minute SNL skit with Reynolds will show whether I am in “deep denial”? My opinion on this skit says nothing about whether I’m making up facts. It would just be my opinion.

But fwiw: I’m not a PR rep and I don’t know whether the bit was bad for them on the PR front — maybe it was, given Baldoni fan reactions here. When I watched it, I thought he was commenting on the crazy publicity the case has been receiving and making fun of himself because of how underwater things were for them in the PR game at the moment. As someone following the case, I thought that was fine and nbd and in line with general SNL topical humor etc.

Now Travis Kelce’s instagram is a new topic for you to dissect for the day. This is truly how you are spending your time. And you are demanding instant responses from me like *I* am the one with the problem? smdh

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Anonymous wrote:What some of you don't get us that when you make these flippant, gossipy comments about whether or not Ryan is abusive, it is rude towards people who have experienced spousal abuse. Sure, this is an entertainment thread, but that doesn't mean we just say crappy things about domestic violence for kicks. And guess what, DV survivors also enjoy celebrity gossip and shouldn't be confronted with casual commentary about abuse (based purely on speculation) loaded with misogynist or victim-blaming judgment.

If you were discussing this case at a cocktail party with neighbors or people from work, would you just casually say "Whatever, everyone knows Ryan is an abuser, but Blake sucks and is too weak to leave him, what a loser"?

If yes, you are a trash person and I don't say that as a defender of Blake, I say that as a person who gives a $hit about other human beings and tries not to be horrible to them for sport.

Oh, what!? I'm a victim of spouse abuse and I don't think Blake is a victim but I've also worked in PR and if she wants to come out sort of clean she had better play that up. It's basically the only thing that's her hail Mary pass, she's abused and controlled by her husband who is a notorious ass control freak. That's the sympathy line. She should run with that if she wants to preserve her reputation because right now she's the horrible person who destroyed me too. I think RR was behind all of this from the beginning and she's not abused, busy she's a D list nobody without him so it gets...weird.

I am mostly pro-Lively and have been commenting here on the legal issues. Some of the anti-Lively posts from the last page sound disconnected from reality. It is like when people start going down a wormhole of men’s rights YouTube videos, except it’s anti-Lively propaganda. Are you reading Reddit and watching TikToks hating on her for three hours a day? Because this hate is off the charts.

— Lively needs to say she was “abused and controlled by her husband who is a notorious ass control freak” who “was behind all of this from the beginning.” This abuse narrative is not based on real, provable facts.

— You “have eyes and ears. We see them whispering things to each other and to their teams, we see their body language.” You don’t know what they are whispering. You do not really know what they are saying or what their movements say.

— “There are people on this thread, trying to manipulate and it’s not working. It’s it at all a reach to say that Ryan is controlling. You can tell it in his movements and when he’s out in public and the way he interacts with her.” This is not based in fact. The first statement is pure paranoia. The rest is pure speculation.

“Finally, some of us have had a little more insider information about these people.” Oh come on.

You guys sound bananas. And now you are dissecting what a “lip reader” said that Lively and Reynolds said to one another during the Time event? (Is that what you mean by last week’s event? I tried to google it. I don’t know what you’re talking about.) You are so far down whatever algorithm you are on you don’t seem to get how disconnected you are. This is not normal. Come back!!

Well, someone is bananas but it isn’t us. Can you at least agree that Ryan using her law suit as fodder for humor in front of a national audience on SNL was troubling? Or are you too deep in denial?

No response? Says it all.

You guys are completely making up facts about Lively and Reynolds, but somehow my opinion on a one minute SNL skit with Reynolds will show whether I am in “deep denial”? My opinion on this skit says nothing about whether I’m making up facts. It would just be my opinion.

But fwiw: I’m not a PR rep and I don’t know whether the bit was bad for them on the PR front — maybe it was, given Baldoni fan reactions here. When I watched it, I thought he was commenting on the crazy publicity the case has been receiving and making fun of himself because of how underwater things were for them in the PR game at the moment. As someone following the case, I thought that was fine and nbd and in line with general SNL topical humor etc.

Now Travis Kelce’s instagram is a new topic for you to dissect for the day. This is truly how you are spending your time. And you are demanding instant responses from me like *I* am the one with the problem? smdh

Different posters, Einstein. And yes, it is telling that you can’t even admit it was inappropriate for Reynolds to mockher sexual harassment suit on national tv. Partisan to the core.

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This demonic scheme has ruined their lives and careers. lol. Karma in its purest form.

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Travis unfollowed Ryan

The discovery subpoenas must be flying! Oh boy, this is getting good.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

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Kelce doesn’t actually follow Taylor Swift either. And it doesn’t seem to be known when this unfollowing happened. But okay, I’m sure this is a really, really, really, really, really, really big deal! Maybe we need to have notactuallygolden weigh in on this lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

DP I don’t particularly care about their marriage either but all of the PDA at the wrexham game seemed like it was for the cameras. What couple that’s been married 10+ years is going around showing that level of pda? In my experience, it’s usually the couples that are trying really hard to put on a certain image that are struggling the most behind doors.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

DP I don’t particularly care about their marriage either but all of the PDA at the wrexham game seemed like it was for the cameras. What couple that’s been married 10+ years is going around showing that level of pda? In my experience, it’s usually the couples that are trying really hard to put on a certain image that are struggling the most behind doors.

lol whatever they do it’s going to be the wrong thing with you people. Don’t be positive and upbeat every moment and someone on TikTok is going to read their body language as overly negative and try to lip read what they’re whispering to one another. Appear loving on camera and it’s a sham. You guys are totally fair and not at all out of your minds. 👍

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Travis unfollowed Ryan

Well that's that, Blake needs to settle for 400 million.

You joke but I think the relationship with Taylor was quite important to Blake and Ryan and they torched it with this ill advised smear campaign against Justin.

The more I’ve thought about it, the more I feel Blake’s lawyers are the problem and have been from the beginning. Without lawyers, I don’t think Blake would’ve been able to dig such a deep hole, but they thought they were being so clever and strategic. First Blake’s lawyers put no retaliation in the 17 point complaint, which gave Blake this false sense of power that she could behave however she wanted for the duration of the film without consequence. Then they didn’t immediately shut down the Stepanie jones leak (which would have been the ethical thing to do) and instead created a sham lawsuit to get a sham subpoena when the NYT refused to print without one. Then they filed a CRD complaint for no other reason than to give the NYT litigation privilege and for Blake to gain standing in CA so Blake could hide behind it’s me too laws.

It’s all been so calculated and they think it’s clever, but in the court of public opinion it looks like abuse of process. And frankly had Blake just filed a regular harassment claim way back when, we likely wouldn’t be here because they would’ve found no harassment. And had she filed a regular case about the so called smear campaign instead of working with the NYT to smear Justin, there would be no defamation suit for him to bring. The truth is Blake’s case is weak on the facts, so she sought to try the case in the press, but that has backfired massively.

Dp. I think it’s her PR and lawyers that have led her down this false path. The lawyers get paid no matter what. Reality is litigators are almost always a bit hard up for big cases (they don’t bring in the big money the transactional lawyers do) and they are almost always trying to find a way to encourage lawsuits, or at least not discourage them.

But her PR advisors should have stopped it.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

DP I don’t particularly care about their marriage either but all of the PDA at the wrexham game seemed like it was for the cameras. What couple that’s been married 10+ years is going around showing that level of pda? In my experience, it’s usually the couples that are trying really hard to put on a certain image that are struggling the most behind doors.

DP. I think we really don’t know. That’s true of every couple. Dh and I are still fairly affectionate with each other after 10+ years. But we also fight like cats and dogs and if you caught us in one of those moments, you’d likely assume we were filing for divorce asap. Relationships are just weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Kelce doesn’t actually follow Taylor Swift either. And it doesn’t seem to be known when this unfollowing happened. But okay, I’m sure this is a really, really, really, really, really, really big deal! Maybe we need to have notactuallygolden weigh in on this lol.

He doesn’t follow Taylor because he’s with her every day and doesn’t need social media updates that she doesn’t often post? She posts updates about albums coming out etc., she stopped posting regular updates about her life years ago when she got uber famous and more protective after the reputation years.

He definitely followed Ryan Reynolds at one time - people have screenshots because of course they do.

Maybe he’s just cleaning up his accounts, but does seem rather telling. And even if it’s not, people are of course going to speculate.

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The celebrities don't run their own public accounts and even TMZ says they don't know when the unfollowing happened. To ascribe a huge amount of meaning to it is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

DP I don’t particularly care about their marriage either but all of the PDA at the wrexham game seemed like it was for the cameras. What couple that’s been married 10+ years is going around showing that level of pda? In my experience, it’s usually the couples that are trying really hard to put on a certain image that are struggling the most behind doors.

DP. I think we really don’t know. That’s true of every couple. Dh and I are still fairly affectionate with each other after 10+ years. But we also fight like cats and dogs and if you caught us in one of those moments, you’d likely assume we were filing for divorce asap. Relationships are just weird.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.

???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.

You have the wrong poster. I posted support for their marriage, saying that they are in this together and that if she wanted to leave, she could have. Look at Tina, Angelina and so many others that claim to have been part of abusive relationships.

I can be 100 percent Baldoni and not feel that these two are divorcing. It doesn’t mean I like them at all. But I really don’t care about their marriage and view them as one.

Someone else dug into their marital life and thoughts about abuse. I just said that feminism has many shades and the feminism that I support would have left Ryan long ago if there was abuse.

Others on this thread say that it’s complicated and hurtful to bring that up. I get it.

I did not do the deep dive into analyzing if there was abuse going on. That’s someone else, who, by the way, brings a view of psychology into to case. But I agree, no one knows what’s going on behind the scenes with those two. If she were so affected by it, I think she would opt to leave. But she seems to double down on being Mrs. Reynolds.

DP I don’t particularly care about their marriage either but all of the PDA at the wrexham game seemed like it was for the cameras. What couple that’s been married 10+ years is going around showing that level of pda? In my experience, it’s usually the couples that are trying really hard to put on a certain image that are struggling the most behind doors.

lol whatever they do it’s going to be the wrong thing with you people. Don’t be positive and upbeat every moment and someone on TikTok is going to read their body language as overly negative and try to lip read what they’re whispering to one another. Appear loving on camera and it’s a sham. You guys are totally fair and not at all out of your minds. 👍

I personally don’t care about the state of their marriage, but I do care that they think the public is stupid.

Blake and Ryan have a public relations strategy that would work flawlessly and did work flawlessly 10 years ago. Things have changed and they have not kept up with the landscape. They are treating us like we are stupid. These public displays of affection are new and started around the time of the bad publicity. They spent years being way more private with their marriage which I actually respected a lot.

It’s so transparent and rather cringy.

I honestly really liked them both for a long time. I think the fame and money just have really gotten to them. Something started happening with them about a couple years before the lawsuit. So many movies and businesses and products and appearances. They’ve been good friends with Taylor since 2015 but they have never really flaunted it until the last year. There are rumors that Selena Gomez noticed it and cautioned Taylor to distance herself - she felt like they were using her. It definitely felt that way, really before the August marketing debacle.

So yea, all of this does fuel speculation. Reminds me a lot of J Lo.