ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

It would nice if you were correct but older players in an age group constantly being labeled better is the self fulfilling prophecy and inconvenient truth you haven't been able to explain away. If people didn't use the words RAE, the phenomena would still exist.

Please explain how teams at the highest levels often roster multiple players 1-2 years younger than the rest of the team.

It's hard to reason with rec parents that know everything.

Ok, now I see where you are coming from. For science and analysis to be taken serious, you need real facts, real figures, real models to test hypothesis. Relying on a case study to prove a point is weak because exceptions don't make the rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

Don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Majority of US soccer.....

Plurality. I keep seeing majority used, a majority of those surveyed didn’t support SY, it was a plurality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like how this was a ECNL going to school year forum and now that it’s a given for Fall 26 it’s a RAE is or isn’t real and what everyone’s interpretation of RAE is forum.

That's because the parents of January birthdays argue that RAE isnt real...their kids are just good and the all the kids born in August- December just suck...but at the same time they don't want their kids playing "up" with kids their same grade level because it wouldn't be fair to compete against kids 6 months older. (*Don't try to use logic) RAE is real...and no it will not go away...it will shift towards August/ Sept birthdays. The reason for the change is not to get rid of RAE, it is to keep kids playing with kids in their grade level.

Personally, I don't really care and I don't think its a big deal to change. The only argument I have heard from keeping it BY...is other countries do that... most of Europe anyways, except the UK. But, that is because those other countries group kids in school according to their Birth year. The one true consistent -is that every country except for the US groups kids for soccer according to the school year. And

I also don't think trying to pick January birthdays for our Youth National Teams make our teams any better...bigger at a certain age perhaps. Our Youth National team should work on developing players for the national team...not winning at U15...so maybe picking kids with a high technical ability and soccer IQ versus the oldest kids would be more beneficial. In that case, BY may be hurting us.

That is your justification for your poop flinging, not reality.

The “they deserve the poop being flung at them because…they believe this thing I just made up.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

It would nice if you were correct but older players in an age group constantly being labeled better is the self fulfilling prophecy and inconvenient truth you haven't been able to explain away. If people didn't use the words RAE, the phenomena would still exist.

You legit only understand one part of the RAE phenomenon. It is the most superficial aspect, so it’s totally understandable. But for the love of god, please stop pretending like you know more than you do.

RAE is more than lazy coaches selecting big and or fast kids for a team, and then they kid being set for life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Fear from a parent with a kid about to be replaced, maybe?

What are you going to do when your kid, that you think will gain an advantage from SY, doesn’t actually get a better outcome?

Will you be the first in line for grad year? Will you be the first one leading the charge to another team / league?

The age cutoff is not going to be a major reshuffling. If you think you’ll have 50% or more of an 18 person roster turn-over, you’re off your rocker. At most! You’ll see 3-5 kids bumped off and replaced. And those same kids were on the bubble to begin with.

That’s not a BY or SY point of view. It’s just reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

It’s soo funny reading all the BY parent comments…stop living through your children and let them just have fun…BY parents don’t like the switch to SY because it is to their disadvantage. Yes, we need a bigger base to pick from and more kids involved so SY is better to ID talent….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

It’s soo funny reading all the BY parent comments…stop living through your children and let them just have fun…BY parents don’t like the switch to SY because it is to their disadvantage. Yes, we need a bigger base to pick from and more kids involved so SY is better to ID talent….

Makes no sense. Assuming you are referring to identifying talent for the highest competition levels at national or international — but these levels are BY aligned and so the base to pick from stays exactly as is now. SY does not change that base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like how this was a ECNL going to school year forum and now that it’s a given for Fall 26 it’s a RAE is or isn’t real and what everyone’s interpretation of RAE is forum.

Because the whole debate for ECNL isnt really about “playing with friends” or random rec league participation rates, it is 100% about trying to gaining a RAE advantage.

The problem these dopes have is they think a group phenomenon is an individual benefit. They’re all idiots.

Considering a group is an aggregation of individuals and groups pre and post change comprise different individuals, how does the change from SY to BY not encompass individuals with a benefit and individuals with a loss?

Also the leagues are calling the shots and they wouldn't have an RAE change, so how do explain many leagues supporting the change? Finally note that the "vote" leaned towards SY but a minority, around 40 percent of kids get an RAE advantage moving from BY to SY.

Hopefully having SY and BY leagues will begin to reduce RAE.

Strongest players on the most competitive teams will only be interested in BY teams and clubs as these are aligned with the highest level national and international competition. These players are already capable of playing up and training against older competition successfully. Playing with friends at grade level (SY) is never a consideration or goal; maybe this is more a consideration for U-littles and rec-level players.

No, I would expect the strongest Q1 players (i.e., Jan - March) will want to play SY during league play so they get to play against tougher competition in league play (i.e. Q3 and Q4 players that are older than them). It will better prepare them for national and international competition.

Nope - competitive ECNL teams and players already play up and train with players a year or 2 older than them. Going to SY to play with or against players only a few months older does nothing. What month you are born in is irrelevant unless you’re a U-little or rec player looking for easier competition.

Not on the best teams at the highest levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like how this was a ECNL going to school year forum and now that it’s a given for Fall 26 it’s a RAE is or isn’t real and what everyone’s interpretation of RAE is forum.

Because the whole debate for ECNL isnt really about “playing with friends” or random rec league participation rates, it is 100% about trying to gaining a RAE advantage.

The problem these dopes have is they think a group phenomenon is an individual benefit. They’re all idiots.

Considering a group is an aggregation of individuals and groups pre and post change comprise different individuals, how does the change from SY to BY not encompass individuals with a benefit and individuals with a loss?

Also the leagues are calling the shots and they wouldn't have an RAE change, so how do explain many leagues supporting the change? Finally note that the "vote" leaned towards SY but a minority, around 40 percent of kids get an RAE advantage moving from BY to SY.

Hopefully having SY and BY leagues will begin to reduce RAE.

Strongest players on the most competitive teams will only be interested in BY teams and clubs as these are aligned with the highest level national and international competition. These players are already capable of playing up and training against older competition successfully. Playing with friends at grade level (SY) is never a consideration or goal; maybe this is more a consideration for U-littles and rec-level players.

No, I would expect the strongest Q1 players (i.e., Jan - March) will want to play SY during league play so they get to play against tougher competition in league play (i.e. Q3 and Q4 players that are older than them). It will better prepare them for national and international competition.

This makes zero sense. National and international competition is BY, not SY.

It makes sense if you understand that in youth soccer you only train with the National team and international team for a small part of the year. Most of those players’ training is with their club team in league play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

It’s soo funny reading all the BY parent comments…stop living through your children and let them just have fun…BY parents don’t like the switch to SY because it is to their disadvantage. Yes, we need a bigger base to pick from and more kids involved so SY is better to ID talent….

Makes no sense. Assuming you are referring to identifying talent for the highest competition levels at national or international — but these levels are BY aligned and so the base to pick from stays exactly as is now. SY does not change that base.

One of the benefits is SY (along with decreasing the number of trapped players) is increasing the number of players in the sport, as more kids stay with the sport longer since they get to play with their friends from school in their grade.