Separate judicial processes at Colleges and Universities

[Anonymous]

I can’t for the life of me understand why colleges and universities act like they are separate investigative and judicial entities. Why don’t the just let the proper authorities handle these situations? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-02/california-universities-face-class-action-suits-by-students-accused-of-sexual-harassment

[Anonymous]

I agree with you. Colleges do not have trained investigators nor are they impartial. But I thought there were investigative requirements made under the Obama admin to Title IX that made schools become more involved in investigations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you. Colleges do not have trained investigators nor are they impartial. But I thought there were investigative requirements made under the Obama admin to Title IX that made schools become more involved in investigations?

Didnt DeVos roll a bunch of that back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you. Colleges do not have trained investigators nor are they impartial. But I thought there were investigative requirements made under the Obama admin to Title IX that made schools become more involved in investigations?

Didnt DeVos roll a bunch of that back?

The requirements, yes I think so. But that doesn’t mean the schools automatically abandoned what they put in place.

[Anonymous]

BECAUSE THIS IS REQUIRED OF THEM.

You think colleges want to have these boards and judicial committees? No. They would love to NOT have to handle this. They are required to to this by Title IX.

You could read about it, but I bet most won’t bother: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/know-rights-201404-title-ix.pdf

[Anonymous]

The more cases I read the more skeptical I become of these tribunals and how Title IX is implemented. I think we are seeing the hysteria of a couple years ago come home to roost.

[Anonymous]

Title IX predates Obama

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BECAUSE THIS IS REQUIRED OF THEM.

You think colleges want to have these boards and judicial committees? No. They would love to NOT have to handle this. They are required to to this by Title IX.

You could read about it, but I bet most won’t bother: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/know-rights-201404-title-ix.pdf

You should do a little reading yourself. The specifics as to what has changed over the last 10 years is not covered in your attached flyer. Those changes are from Dept of Ed rules. Those new rules were written because there was still an extraordinary high number of sexual assaults at schools and Title IX didn’t have the needed teeth. There is now new guidance coming that will make schools pivot again.

The results of these class actions will also bring forth changes in what schools are doing. Those cited in the article in the OP have already made changes.

[Anonymous]

Campus police are often better trained to deal with young people. Certainly, when I went to school, our campus police made an effort to get to know us and deescalated many bad situations whereas the city police were known for quickly escalating matters and beating students up.

[Anonymous]

Just curious. When you go to college, do you sign away your rights to report things to the normal police? Are you required to go through these university's process? Just curious when sexual assault is invoked why the regular police aren't the appropriate people to report to? I don't trust colleges to handle those cases objectively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just curious. When you go to college, do you sign away your rights to report things to the normal police? Are you required to go through these university's process? Just curious when sexual assault is invoked why the regular police aren't the appropriate people to report to? I don't trust colleges to handle those cases objectively.

I can speak to this informally. When you call the municipal police to report sexual assault or domestic abuse, they will tell you to call campus police because “it’s faster”. BS, but you are barely an adult and already traumatized. My dad hired a couple guys to take care of things when campus police didn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Campus police are often better trained to deal with young people. Certainly, when I went to school, our campus police made an effort to get to know us and deescalated many bad situations whereas the city police were known for quickly escalating matters and beating students up.

I agree with you that campus police officers are better equipped to handle students. However, they are not the ones investigating assaults. Schools form their own investigation teams which generally include a dedicated staff member. Many also have tribunals comprised of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.