Separate judicial processes at Colleges and Universities

[Anonymous]

Would those of you who understand all of this recommend that your children call the actual police for anything more than something minor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.

It doesn't matter. The regulations were so horribly written that the colleges didn't know what to do. Truly. I worked at ED. You try to be a college administrator and figure out the Obama admin's regs. You can't. They are nonsense and gobbledegook. Devos has been trying to clean up some of the confusion. Colleges didn't even know what to report because the definitions of assault were so vague. Colleges got into trouble because they overreported and some in trouble because they underreported. Now every sane college has their own full time lawyer on staff just to try and interpret ED's regulations = more expense and more waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.

It doesn't matter. The regulations were so horribly written that the colleges didn't know what to do. Truly. I worked at ED. You try to be a college administrator and figure out the Obama admin's regs. You can't. They are nonsense and gobbledegook. Devos has been trying to clean up some of the confusion. Colleges didn't even know what to report because the definitions of assault were so vague. Colleges got into trouble because they overreported and some in trouble because they underreported. Now every sane college has their own full time lawyer on staff just to try and interpret ED's regulations = more expense and more waste.

I 100% agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Every college had full time lawyers on staff LONG before this. A legal counsel’s became necessary for other reasons.

That being said, most sexual assault victims don’t want to go to the police for several reasons. Many want to use their colleges’ process. Do some reading about where the victims are treated when they report and you might understand where they are coming from. You might not be so flippant about saying they should call the cops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.

It doesn't matter. The regulations were so horribly written that the colleges didn't know what to do. Truly. I worked at ED. You try to be a college administrator and figure out the Obama admin's regs. You can't. They are nonsense and gobbledegook. Devos has been trying to clean up some of the confusion. Colleges didn't even know what to report because the definitions of assault were so vague. Colleges got into trouble because they overreported and some in trouble because they underreported. Now every sane college has their own full time lawyer on staff just to try and interpret ED's regulations = more expense and more waste.

I 100% agree with you.

Thanks. Did you work at ED too? or are a lawyer on campus or a higher ed lawyer at a law firm?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every college had full time lawyers on staff LONG before this. A legal counsel’s became necessary for other reasons.

That being said, most sexual assault victims don’t want to go to the police for several reasons. Many want to use their colleges’ process. Do some reading about where the victims are treated when they report and you might understand where they are coming from. You might not be so flippant about saying they should call the cops.

No they didn't. LAC and SLACs usually did not have on-site legal counsel. Only because of the absurdly written "Dear Colleague" letters sent out during the Obama administration were small LACs and SLACs put into the position of having an on-site lawyer. Before that, they would use the higher ed specialists at certain big law firms who had such a practice (rare because it doesn't generate a lot of money). Because of the irresponsible "Dear Colleague" letters sent out by ED during the Obama admin. did colleges even have to worry about this. Now they do in a big way but at great cost to the college, which is reflected in tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.

Previous PP can't accept any criticism of Obama our God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title IX predates Obama

The requirements that OP is talking about all come from guidance issued by the Dept of Ed under the Obama administration. Over several years they issued different instructions: https://www.naicu.edu/policy-advocacy/issue-brief-index/regulation/sexual-assault-on-campus

Title IX didn’t bring us to where we are today. The prior administration’s guidance did because what was required of Title IX wasn’t doing enough. There are a lot of article available online that explain why we are where we are today. Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-and-obama-rewrite-the-rulebook-on-college-sexual-assaults/2016/07/03/0773302e-3654-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Devos rescinded the Obama guidance quite some time ago. But keep trying to blame Obama if it makes you feel good.

Are you really incapable of understanding that the guidelines put in place during the prior admin are not still be followed by colleges? You really think that in 2.5 years every school has thrown out their process and and come up with a new process? The article posted by the OP covers cases back to 2015.

Previous PP can't accept any criticism of Obama our God.

The previous isn't the one who sounds unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Some schools are stricter than others. Some will issue warnings if alcohol is found in a dorm; others will cite - three instances and you are kicked out. Really worthwhile to google school name plus expelled. Google Brendan O’Keefe, kicked out two months prior to graduating. He was an Eagle Scout and didn’t lie so he had two earlier strikes before this one.