ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

BY can be corrupted also. Are you an idiot? It’s already happening. Jan to July born players can repeat a grade already and get 3 years of U19. So again BY is a system the is flawed when trying to match with school year calendar.

My daughter 2011 team has an April 2011 7th grader who repeated after Covid for non soccer reasons. She will be trapped but gets to compete with 2012s for U19 if she stays in a BY system.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

Or SY will be more attractive because it aligns with HS and college and allows college scouts to better evaluate players. Let the game begin!

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

Exactly…you can tell who is a Q1 parent when they say nonsense like that…they are so delusional and just want their kid playing against kids a grade below them lol!

You can be Jan 3rd Q1 and playing against a Dec 19th Q4 a grade lower.
A couple weeks difference.

Stop the drama built on exaggerations

I’m it sure your math is mathing a January 3rd 2011 is Dec 3rd 2011 is an 11 month difference.

Or do you mean a December 1 2011 vs Jan 1 2012? That’s a couple weeks difference but those kids don’t compete in BY.

You can’t reason with these BY people they are so delusional that their arguments are stupid and lack any sort of coherent logic…

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

Please offer your definition of playing down because it is not clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Is the Jan kid good or just older?! lol same logic dumbass…BY parent doing mental gymnastics

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

Please offer your definition of playing down because it is not clear.

I'm talking about held back kids in school (regrades) who can be over a year oder then their classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

Please offer your definition of playing down because it is not clear.

I'm talking about held back kids in school (regrades) who can be over a year oder then their classmates.

In summary, MLSN let's 30% of the starting field players for each team play a year down and no other league does or has plans to. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

Please offer your definition of playing down because it is not clear.

I'm talking about held back kids in school (regrades) who can be over a year oder then their classmates.

In summary, MLSN let's 30% of the starting field players for each team play a year down and no other league does or has plans to. Full stop.

As I said before MLSN is a mix of Acadmies and p2p which is which is why allowing playing down works on a limited scale.

ECNL is not an Academy program and will never be one. Because of this allowing waivers for playing down would be the kiss of death for the league. Full stop

But if you want to keep pushing for your held back kid to play with a lower than normal grade level fine. I'll just laugh as everything falls appart.

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You ever notice how REA and DEI are blanket terms that cover all kinds of different perceived atrocities. (real or not real)

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Here's another way to think about playing down.

Parents budget roughly 5k per year in club fees and travel costs, etc for club soccer. Would you want to spend that kind of money to have your kid play on a team with several HUGE kids that are playing down? Sure you'll likely win a bunch of games. But, will your kid ever play in the games?

This is why parents and players will generally gravitate to leagues that don't allow playing down.

MLSN is different because it's a mix of Academy and p2p which kind of justifies parents putting up with the kids playing down.

Please offer your definition of playing down because it is not clear.

I'm talking about held back kids in school (regrades) who can be over a year oder then their classmates.

In summary, MLSN let's 30% of the starting field players for each team play a year down and no other league does or has plans to. Full stop.

As I said before MLSN is a mix of Acadmies and p2p which is which is why allowing playing down works on a limited scale.

ECNL is not an Academy program and will never be one. Because of this allowing waivers for playing down would be the kiss of death for the league. Full stop

But if you want to keep pushing for your held back kid to play with a lower than normal grade level fine. I'll just laugh as everything falls appart.

Not pushing for anything. You just demonized playing down for others who don't have or plan it but tried to justify it for MLSN w/o offering actual justification.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

Exactly…you can tell who is a Q1 parent when they say nonsense like that…they are so delusional and just want their kid playing against kids a grade below them lol!

You’re wrong. PP is correct. Once you go grad year it rolls back to the 90s, which was extremely corrupted with red shirts, fake birth certificates, illiterate “graduates”, etc.

People don’t realize that in the previous iteration of SY, the recruiting / contact ages were not in effect as well. Rolling to grad year will necessitate some lifting of the contact rules that helped stem the gamesmanship parents would go through to get Jonny and Sally on the team. Shoot, look how crazy some of the parents are about gaining an RAE advantage with the BY/SY debate…you think the next step in trying to gain an advantage is a bridge too far?

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

SY + RAE only matters up until u13 and on lower level generally not competitive teams. Once you get to the highest levels of a sport ie GA MLSN ECNL nobody cares about playing with their friends at school or what month of the year you were born. It's all about can your kid provide enough value to help their team win at the highest level.

Reguarding why letting players play down via waivers is bad is because the action calls into question if the player playing down is actually good or just older. It also opens up the door to coaches exploiting playing down by specifically searching for these type of players. You end up with a team that beats everyone else full of kids playing down on the roster. If SY alternatives (BY) hold the line and do not allow playing down and stay high level parents and players will go to that league because it seems more fair and professional.

Reguarding the u19 comment after the age of 18 what age you are no longer matters at the highest level. Either you're good enough to play or you're not.

Is the Jan kid good or just older?! lol same logic dumbass…BY parent doing mental gymnastics

You’re an idiot. You don’t understand RAE.