ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 9/1 cutoff with August waivers is genius. Waivers for a limited number of trapped players playing SY in 2025 is genius. Yet someone who has a source said no waivers. It would give ECNL a leg up over the MLSN alignments.

Waivers for the Aug. kids to play up? The only necessity for waivers in general would be for kids to play down an age group.

Let's assume its 9/1/11 - 8/31/12 cutoff and the goal is to have a 7th grade girls team in a Sept. 1 cutoff school state. Here is the scenario with two 7th grade girls with Aug. birthdays:

Sally who is an 8/5/2012 birthday would be a young 7th grader, and playing with her grade. Now we have Molly with an 8/5/2011 birthday. She is also a 7th grader, but older because she started later. She would be required to play on the 8th grade team by her birthday, even though she is a 7th grader. In order to play with her proper grade, she would need a "waiver" to play down with her 7th grade peers due to her birthday cutoff. Otherwise, she would be the youngest on her 8th grade team, and also one of only one or two 7th graders on an be a 8th grade team.

Let's take the same kids but with an 8/1/11 - 7/31/12 cutoff.

Sally, our young 7th grader, would be required to play with the 6th grade team because of her birthday. She would be the oldest on the team, but also not aligned by grade. She would not need a waiver to play up with her grade, she would just have to be good enough to do so. Molly, our older 7th grader, would be aligned. She would not need any waiver because she is within the parameters of both her grade and the age cutoff.

So with a 9/1 cutoff, we would need a waiver for Molly to play "down" with her grade because she is not aligned by the age cutoff to be a "7th grade" player.

With a 8/1 cutoff, there would be no need for a waiver because even though Sally is playing "down" by her grade, she is aligned by the age cutoff to do so.

So what do the leagues want to do? Do they want to have a waiver system for the Molly's to play "down" with their grade, or play with the older grade and not need a waiver (9/1 cutoff). Or do they not want a waiver system and let the Sally's of the world try to play "up" with her grade if they can, or be misaligned and play with 6th graders (8/1 cutoff). Then that begs the question of what is worse - playing with an 8th grade team as a 7th grader but having the option of a waiver to play with your 7th grade team (9/1 cutoff), or playing with a 6th grade team as a 7th grader but having to win a spot to play up on your 7th grade team (8/1 cutoff).

Sally's of the world will not play up. Even if they do. If they are good their clubs will be making them play down. So you go with a system that has the least number of misaligned kids.

I'm sorry for your held back August child.

Which system do you think that is?

I don’t have a held back August kid (no August kid period) but those kids are fine either way. If it’s Sept 1 cutoff, they are a grade lower playing up, even though they are on the young end of the soccer cutoff. If it’s Aug 1 they are aligned with grade and the oldest. I don’t believe being a trapped player is the grave disadvantage some profess. I think it could be a benefit playing with older kids and being a grade below. If you can hang there you can hang in college a year later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

This is such a cynical viewpoint. We are talking about one month (August) where there is a pretty even split between kids who are either young for their grade or old for their grade. Allowing those kids to enroll with their actual school year in a return to school year registration seems completely rational, fair and in keeping with the motivations behind a return to school year registration in the first place (encouraging more kids to enter the sport at young ages by enabling team play with school classmates, avoiding trap player years, etc).

[Anonymous]

its reality. Lots of parents paying 10k + to have their kid on a team.

[Anonymous]

I saw a situation where a kid played on a team for years and when and when they decided to go to europe they asked for a passport and they wouldnt give it up because the kid was 2 years older than he was pretending to be. The Club just left him at home for the trip and continued to play him in league games. People really can't help themselves.

[Anonymous]

I’m not saying these insane cases don’t exist but that is beside the point when looking at one birth month (August) where nationally there is genuine split as to whether kids are old for their grade or young for their grade and we are looking at a school year registration

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

Exactly…you can tell who is a Q1 parent when they say nonsense like that…they are so delusional and just want their kid playing against kids a grade below them lol!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:its reality. Lots of parents paying 10k + to have their kid on a team.

Bust out laughing at the mental illness of that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

Exactly…you can tell who is a Q1 parent when they say nonsense like that…they are so delusional and just want their kid playing against kids a grade below them lol!

You can be Jan 3rd Q1 and playing against a Dec 19th Q4 a grade lower.
A couple weeks difference.

Stop the drama built on exaggerations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

What do you mean my “do better” because the team won’t be as competitive due to them being younger. Or do you mean more participation and will do better financially?

Most parents with Aug to Dec would not want to play BY or maybe they will? We will find out over the next few years.

I just don’t see kids and families who have kids with actual talent will be afraid of a few kids being held back. I’d be willing to bet we would see less then 5% of players would be hold backs on the girls side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aug. kids parents are worried.

My kids born in December so no, just trying to figure out how this would affect her friend who’s a few months older born in August and is in 7th grade.

I’m not sure how a waiver makes her 16 her freshman year?

It's because parents with $$$ will get what they want.

Pretty hard for ECNL to not give a held back "regrade" kid a waiver to play down when there's 30k stapled to the application.

Because of this ECNL avoids the entire discussion by not allowing waivers.

For sure. People who are crazy will just hold a kid back or homschool them to acomplish the goal and greese the wheel with some cash.

By 2028 ECNL will be Grad Year. Especially now that JC kids don’t waste eligibility. ECNL wants to extend the cash cow. Will have a U20 team for high school graduates who don’t get recruited. When that happens I hope you can survive the panic attack.

And this is why BY leagues will do better than SY.

Once the corruption bridge is crossed there's no going back.

“Corruption bridge” lolololol. That’s great. Do people not remember that it was SY for decades prior to this 7/8 year experiment of BY? How was the “corruption” all those years?

Exactly…you can tell who is a Q1 parent when they say nonsense like that…they are so delusional and just want their kid playing against kids a grade below them lol!

You can be Jan 3rd Q1 and playing against a Dec 19th Q4 a grade lower.
A couple weeks difference.

Stop the drama built on exaggerations

I’m it sure your math is mathing a January 3rd 2011 is Dec 3rd 2011 is an 11 month difference.

Or do you mean a December 1 2011 vs Jan 1 2012? That’s a couple weeks difference but those kids don’t compete in BY.