War with Iran

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Anonymous wrote:DC streets filled with people waving Iranian flags, singing, and thanking Trump. Come onto this site and you see people depressed. Can’t make this up.

Why do you think that the people in the US think the same as the people in these countries?

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

Can Americans “do” democracy? Which part of the American experiment is going really well right now, pp?

Is it the allegations of the president being part of a pedophile trafficking ring but doing his best to use his attorney general to cover it up?

Is it the president ignoring the constitution and installing tariffs, deploying a federal police force to round up humans in concentration camps and, occasionally, outright murder them without due process?

Is it the general dysfunction of the Congress that can’t seem to ever, ever pass a budget on time?

Or how about the revolving door between lobbying firms and Congress and the fact that lobbyists write our legislation and it almost never has anything to do with what the voting public wants?

Is it the absurd cost of healthcare? The mediocre education system? The rampant gun violence?

Like, what right do you have to judge these other countries that are MUCH OLDER than America? America has broken down after just 250 years. Persia is THOUSANDS of years old. The Islamic republic is a blip of their history, while what is happening to us now seems to be the beginning of a total breakdown.

Drama queen.

We’ve had 2 protesters shot and people are (rightfully) up in arms.

Iran has killed 20k in 2 months.

I’d say our democracy is thriving, relatively speaking.

Not relative to where we were a year or so ago.

We are no longer the "shining city on the hill."

We treat women and gays better.

You’re right. The best way to treat women and gays over there is by killing them and their families, loved ones, and exploding their homes

Iran treats gays respectfully?

They pay for transgender surgery: the US doesnt even do that.

I certainly thought gays were mistreated in Iran. .
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64864132

Gays are mistreated in 90% of the world. Does that mean we go to war with 90% of the world?

Israel has its own homophobia problem with far right government and the current US administration isn’t gay friendly either. Does that mean we should get invaded by Canada, a more liberal country?

I’m so tired of the liberal interventionist argument for war. It’s not worth spilled blood. Did you read the stories of LGBt Gazans? They were heartbreaking. Many were already suffering inside but said that fear and suffering was not alleviated but only compounded when Israel killed their loved ones. One guys story made me cry when I read he wished he said I l love you and kissed before his crush died. None of these people love Hamas as you can imagine but they all suffered regardless because of it.

Many here are pointing out Iranian immigrants here celebrating but don’t you think that means many Iranians inside the country also hate the regime? Does that mean they now deserve a war of the ages just because they’re run by aholes?

Liberal interventionist argument? Can you stay on topic? Liberals didn't start this war.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC streets filled with people waving Iranian flags, singing, and thanking Trump. Come onto this site and you see people depressed. Can’t make this up.

Why do you think that the people in the US think the same as the people in these countries?

Because, unsurprisingly, there is now video of the same thing in Iran. Have you been under a rock for the last several years concerning Iran and their extreme unpopularity of the government?

If Orange Man involved, bad. No celebrations allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

Can Americans “do” democracy? Which part of the American experiment is going really well right now, pp?

Is it the allegations of the president being part of a pedophile trafficking ring but doing his best to use his attorney general to cover it up?

Is it the president ignoring the constitution and installing tariffs, deploying a federal police force to round up humans in concentration camps and, occasionally, outright murder them without due process?

Is it the general dysfunction of the Congress that can’t seem to ever, ever pass a budget on time?

Or how about the revolving door between lobbying firms and Congress and the fact that lobbyists write our legislation and it almost never has anything to do with what the voting public wants?

Is it the absurd cost of healthcare? The mediocre education system? The rampant gun violence?

Like, what right do you have to judge these other countries that are MUCH OLDER than America? America has broken down after just 250 years. Persia is THOUSANDS of years old. The Islamic republic is a blip of their history, while what is happening to us now seems to be the beginning of a total breakdown.

Drama queen.

We’ve had 2 protesters shot and people are (rightfully) up in arms.

Iran has killed 20k in 2 months.

I’d say our democracy is thriving, relatively speaking.

Not relative to where we were a year or so ago.

We are no longer the "shining city on the hill."

We treat women and gays better.

You’re right. The best way to treat women and gays over there is by killing them and their families, loved ones, and exploding their homes

Iran treats gays respectfully?

They pay for transgender surgery: the US doesnt even do that.

I certainly thought gays were mistreated in Iran. .
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64864132

Gays are mistreated in 90% of the world. Does that mean we go to war with 90% of the world?

Israel has its own homophobia problem with far right government and the current US administration isn’t gay friendly either. Does that mean we should get invaded by Canada, a more liberal country?

I’m so tired of the liberal interventionist argument for war. It’s not worth spilled blood. Did you read the stories of LGBt Gazans? They were heartbreaking. Many were already suffering inside but said that fear and suffering was not alleviated but only compounded when Israel killed their loved ones. One guys story made me cry when I read he wished he said I l love you and kissed before his crush died. None of these people love Hamas as you can imagine but they all suffered regardless because of it.

Many here are pointing out Iranian immigrants here celebrating but don’t you think that means many Iranians inside the country also hate the regime? Does that mean they now deserve a war of the ages just because they’re run by aholes?

Liberal interventionist argument? Can you stay on topic? Liberals didn't start this war.

liberal interventionist has nothing to do with party in international relations. George w. Bush used similar logic about freedom and democracy with iraq. Trump used to make fun of those guys. Now he’s become one of them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Iran’s aim now is to absorb US and Israeli attacks, hold its position and signal expansion of war, and wait for worried regional actors to mediate a ceasefire. They expect that if Trump does not get a quick win then he will look for an exit, and negotiations afterwards will be different.“

-Vali Nasr

So, uh, TACO?

Dude the US can only keep combat operations going for two weeks. The Iranians are not going anywhere. After that we run out of munitions and equipment starts to wear down, parts break, etc. There is a huge backlog of parts and munitions(like 5 years) because of China’s restrictions on rare earth, industrial magnets, diamonds, etc. We used up a 1/3 of our stock defending Israel in June of 2025.

Iran is a really country with 8 million people employed by the state. Now add in over 10,000 cleric with a history going back a 1,000 years. They have faced war before.

They lost to Iraq despite a Shia majority Iraq so no, they’re not great at war necessarily but they are geographically blessed and blessed with natural resources. The entire Persian gulf is being pummeled right now. They hit bases and airports in Dubai but wait till they hit the oil fields. The US /trump cares more about the oil fields (gas prices) than if US bases are hit.

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Anonymous wrote:DC streets filled with people waving Iranian flags, singing, and thanking Trump. Come onto this site and you see people depressed. Can’t make this up.

Why do you think that the people in the US think the same as the people in these countries?

Because, unsurprisingly, there is now video of the same thing in Iran. Have you been under a rock for the last several years concerning Iran and their extreme unpopularity of the government?

If Orange Man involved, bad. No celebrations allowed.

Were you celebrating the downfall of Saddam Hussein in 2003? You might want to wait more than a day before throwing that party.

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The death toll is apparently far larger. Tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:DC streets filled with people waving Iranian flags, singing, and thanking Trump. Come onto this site and you see people depressed. Can’t make this up.

Why do you think that the people in the US think the same as the people in these countries?

Because, unsurprisingly, there is now video of the same thing in Iran. Have you been under a rock for the last several years concerning Iran and their extreme unpopularity of the government?

If Orange Man involved, bad. No celebrations allowed.

Were you celebrating the downfall of Saddam Hussein in 2003? You might want to wait more than a day before throwing that party.

They were probably ordering freedom fries, too, once upon a time.

[Anonymous]

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Trump going to be so upset that he didn’t get to fly them in on his new Qatari Epstein Express 747.

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Anonymous wrote:DC streets filled with people waving Iranian flags, singing, and thanking Trump. Come onto this site and you see people depressed. Can’t make this up.

Delusional. It’s amazing how you MAGA have gone from being anti-war to pro-war. You are supporting the same regime change wars you claimed to be against. You are a cult who would support anything Trump does. I voted for him, but I can see he lied about what his agenda was. Excuse me if everyone isn’t thrilled about an illegal war of aggression when the so called President is doing nothing for people at home.

With modern isr and drones, regime change is different than what it previously meant.

Now think of it as a “reset button”

If we don’t like who is in charge, we press a reset button and see what forms next with the signal that if the new leadership doesn’t play ball, they’ll get “reset” as well.

This is a two way street.

[Anonymous]

Why is Iran attacking luxury hotels in Dubai?

I understand retaliation against US assets in the gulf region, but why Dubai—and why luxury hotels specifically?

[Anonymous]

Trump got what he really wanted: mass distraction from the Epstein files and those missing pages with the underage credible witnesses making accusations against him.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Iran attacking luxury hotels in Dubai?

I understand retaliation against US assets in the gulf region, but why Dubai—and why luxury hotels specifically?

“ WHY STRIKING DUBAI IS DEVIOUSLY GENIUS
It’s all about cost/benefit.

Israel has been under constant missile and rocket attacks for 40 years. They don’t care, US bases in the region are prepared to deal with these attacks.

Dubai is not at all prepared and its population has no stomach for a prolonged campaign. 2-3 days of this and there will be widespread panic in Dubai.

Meanwhile, Dubai (UAE) has great leverage over Trump. Remember all those Trump coins, personal investments and donation to … the Board of Peace?

Striking Dubai makes it very costly for Trump to keep the war going. And Iran is a cornered beast. They don’t care about future relations with the UAE.

For the UAE, this is damage control.

- They need the attacks to stop now.
- They can’t prioritize revenge or political motives.
- They will push Trump to end the war very quickly.”

@HenriLouisF

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

Can Americans “do” democracy? Which part of the American experiment is going really well right now, pp?

Is it the allegations of the president being part of a pedophile trafficking ring but doing his best to use his attorney general to cover it up?

Is it the president ignoring the constitution and installing tariffs, deploying a federal police force to round up humans in concentration camps and, occasionally, outright murder them without due process?

Is it the general dysfunction of the Congress that can’t seem to ever, ever pass a budget on time?

Or how about the revolving door between lobbying firms and Congress and the fact that lobbyists write our legislation and it almost never has anything to do with what the voting public wants?

Is it the absurd cost of healthcare? The mediocre education system? The rampant gun violence?

Like, what right do you have to judge these other countries that are MUCH OLDER than America? America has broken down after just 250 years. Persia is THOUSANDS of years old. The Islamic republic is a blip of their history, while what is happening to us now seems to be the beginning of a total breakdown.

Drama queen.

We’ve had 2 protesters shot and people are (rightfully) up in arms.

Iran has killed 20k in 2 months.

I’d say our democracy is thriving, relatively speaking.

Not relative to where we were a year or so ago.

We are no longer the "shining city on the hill."

We treat women and gays better.

You’re right. The best way to treat women and gays over there is by killing them and their families, loved ones, and exploding their homes

Iran treats gays respectfully?

They pay for transgender surgery: the US doesnt even do that.

I certainly thought gays were mistreated in Iran. .
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64864132

Gays are mistreated in 90% of the world. Does that mean we go to war with 90% of the world?

Israel has its own homophobia problem with far right government and the current US administration isn’t gay friendly either. Does that mean we should get invaded by Canada, a more liberal country?

I’m so tired of the liberal interventionist argument for war. It’s not worth spilled blood. Did you read the stories of LGBt Gazans? They were heartbreaking. Many were already suffering inside but said that fear and suffering was not alleviated but only compounded when Israel killed their loved ones. One guys story made me cry when I read he wished he said I l love you and kissed before his crush died. None of these people love Hamas as you can imagine but they all suffered regardless because of it.

Many here are pointing out Iranian immigrants here celebrating but don’t you think that means many Iranians inside the country also hate the regime? Does that mean they now deserve a war of the ages just because they’re run by aholes?

Liberal interventionist argument? Can you stay on topic? Liberals didn't start this war.

liberal interventionist has nothing to do with party in international relations. George w. Bush used similar logic about freedom and democracy with iraq. Trump used to make fun of those guys. Now he’s become one of them

Because Trump is now just as much a part of the hated "swamp" as Biden was.