King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

I assume you mean Crossfield, not Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

Fox Mill poster here. I am not complaining about its commute. The commute to Carson is easy enough. Perfectly happy with it. I'll be less happy with the commute when we pupil place for an AP program but that will be our problem and we are aware of that. The only reason Fox Mill has a "weaker case" is because it has fewer students and people are happy to throw it under the bus.

Fox Mill didn't want to move 15 years ago and was ignored. A whole bunch of other schools were able to complain loudly enough that they were not moved, but Fox Mill is small and was ignored. People in the neighborhood love the ES and Carson. People move for HS or pupil place out for HS, it is still happening 15 years later. I believe that the number of kids pupil placing out of SLHS is slightly over 200 kids a year. So yes, there are parents who would be happy to move because they are already leaving. I know some IB parents who like SLHS, but that is a small number.

Fox Mill, which has Carson as it's base MS, can move to KAA. The Fox Mill group is smaller as well so it is easier to fit them in.

If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

And yes, we are very well aware that the School Board doesn't care about us, it is why they made us move 15 years ago when the neighborhood was happy with Oakton.

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If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

I'm neither a Fox Mill or a Crossfield parent. But, I doubt Crossfield would prefer to stay at Oakton. There have already been Crossfield people posting here about the commute. And, I think the School Board's policy of trying to achieve proximity would include Crossfield.

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If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

I'm neither a Fox Mill or a Crossfield parent. But, I doubt Crossfield would prefer to stay at Oakton. There have already been Crossfield people posting here about the commute. And, I think the School Board's policy of trying to achieve proximity would include Crossfield.

The Fox Mill poster isn’t very rational. She complains regularly about being moved to South Lakes 17 years ago but then she wants to be moved to an another new school. Her real beef is that SLHS is IB.

The main argument for moving Fox Mill rather than Crossfield is that it’s closer to FAA, but the commute from Crossfield to Oakton is much longer than the commute from Fox Mill to South Lakes. For that reason, if space at KAA is limited, the equities favor moving Crossfield and leaving Fox Mill at SLHS.

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I dont anticipate FCPS having a school that has less than a 2009 student capacity.

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Meant 2000

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Anonymous wrote:Meant 2000

Aren't there several high schools with lower numbers?

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Anonymous wrote:I dont anticipate FCPS having a school that has less than a 2009 student capacity.

They will work it out. Someone posted that it has the same square footage as Centreville which has almost 2500. Adjustments will be needed, but it can be easily done. One of those buildings across the street could provide supply rooms, storage rooms, etc. Those are always needed in schools, as well.There are likely also some adminsitrative offices that don't require interaction with students.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

Fox Mill poster here. I am not complaining about its commute. The commute to Carson is easy enough. Perfectly happy with it. I'll be less happy with the commute when we pupil place for an AP program but that will be our problem and we are aware of that. The only reason Fox Mill has a "weaker case" is because it has fewer students and people are happy to throw it under the bus.

Fox Mill didn't want to move 15 years ago and was ignored. A whole bunch of other schools were able to complain loudly enough that they were not moved, but Fox Mill is small and was ignored. People in the neighborhood love the ES and Carson. People move for HS or pupil place out for HS, it is still happening 15 years later. I believe that the number of kids pupil placing out of SLHS is slightly over 200 kids a year. So yes, there are parents who would be happy to move because they are already leaving. I know some IB parents who like SLHS, but that is a small number.

Fox Mill, which has Carson as it's base MS, can move to KAA. The Fox Mill group is smaller as well so it is easier to fit them in.

If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

And yes, we are very well aware that the School Board doesn't care about us, it is why they made us move 15 years ago when the neighborhood was happy with Oakton.

When you adjust for transfers, Crossfield (581) isn't much larger than Fox Mill (543). This isn't going to be a big consideration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meant 2000

Aren't there several high schools with lower numbers?

Yes. But the need here is high. That is why it is a great purchase. THRU's adjustments are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

Fox Mill poster here. I am not complaining about its commute. The commute to Carson is easy enough. Perfectly happy with it. I'll be less happy with the commute when we pupil place for an AP program but that will be our problem and we are aware of that. The only reason Fox Mill has a "weaker case" is because it has fewer students and people are happy to throw it under the bus.

Fox Mill didn't want to move 15 years ago and was ignored. A whole bunch of other schools were able to complain loudly enough that they were not moved, but Fox Mill is small and was ignored. People in the neighborhood love the ES and Carson. People move for HS or pupil place out for HS, it is still happening 15 years later. I believe that the number of kids pupil placing out of SLHS is slightly over 200 kids a year. So yes, there are parents who would be happy to move because they are already leaving. I know some IB parents who like SLHS, but that is a small number.

Fox Mill, which has Carson as it's base MS, can move to KAA. The Fox Mill group is smaller as well so it is easier to fit them in.

If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

And yes, we are very well aware that the School Board doesn't care about us, it is why they made us move 15 years ago when the neighborhood was happy with Oakton.

When you adjust for transfers, Crossfield (581) isn't much larger than Fox Mill (543). This isn't going to be a big consideration.

Some of Crossfield goes to South Lakes (a fairly small area). It is unlikely that they would move to KAA. So, I doubt the Crossfield number is higher--if at all. It's hard to judge because of immersion program, AAP, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any existing FCPS school that has such an open design? I’ve been seeing a lot of pictures on my feeds and it’s lovely but I would never want a kid at a school where it would be so easy for a rowdy kid or a bully to toss another student over a railing and seriously injure them. I hope the interior modifications make that impossible.

I’m sure this wasn’t an issue at a private school with discipline and a small enrollment. At a big public school it’s not as safe.

Wow! Better keep your kid home. Ever seen a stairwell? Been in a stadium? A mall?
Lots of schools have some open areas.

I did a bit more digging and the closest I found was Lightridge HS in Loudoun in terms of open spaces and upper level spaces overlooking an atrium. The railings looked higher and safer and I'd hope FCPS would pay some attention to this.

The architect that did KAA did Wakefield HS in Arlington. Both schools are very similar with large atria and a second level opening onto it, swimming pools, and gardens with water features.

At a much smaller scale, Oakton has that same design with their terraced indoor seating. Langley too. I believe the new Falls Church lobby will have something similar. So FCPS is familiar with this design trend. All the new schools are doing it now.

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Anonymous wrote:Meant 2000

Aren't there several high schools with lower numbers?

DP. Are you talking about students or capacity?

Of the 25 high/secondary schools, only Lewis and Mount Vernon have fewer than 2000 kids, and only Centreville, Falls Church, Lewis, and McLean have program capacities below 2000, excluding modulars. Falls Church's expansion takes it to 2500 and Centreville's planned expansion, which might be scaled back, takes it to 3000. The modulars at Centreville and McLean increase Centreville's capacity over 2100 and McLean's capacity over 2200.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

Fox Mill poster here. I am not complaining about its commute. The commute to Carson is easy enough. Perfectly happy with it. I'll be less happy with the commute when we pupil place for an AP program but that will be our problem and we are aware of that. The only reason Fox Mill has a "weaker case" is because it has fewer students and people are happy to throw it under the bus.

Fox Mill didn't want to move 15 years ago and was ignored. A whole bunch of other schools were able to complain loudly enough that they were not moved, but Fox Mill is small and was ignored. People in the neighborhood love the ES and Carson. People move for HS or pupil place out for HS, it is still happening 15 years later. I believe that the number of kids pupil placing out of SLHS is slightly over 200 kids a year. So yes, there are parents who would be happy to move because they are already leaving. I know some IB parents who like SLHS, but that is a small number.

Fox Mill, which has Carson as it's base MS, can move to KAA. The Fox Mill group is smaller as well so it is easier to fit them in.

If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

And yes, we are very well aware that the School Board doesn't care about us, it is why they made us move 15 years ago when the neighborhood was happy with Oakton.

When you adjust for transfers, Crossfield (581) isn't much larger than Fox Mill (543). This isn't going to be a big consideration.

Some of Crossfield goes to South Lakes (a fairly small area). It is unlikely that they would move to KAA. So, I doubt the Crossfield number is higher--if at all. It's hard to judge because of immersion program, AAP, etc.

I'm not so sure about that. The Thru prposals have the part of Crossfield at South Lakes moving to Oakton to eliminate the split feeder, so moving all of Crossfield to KAA would eliminate either a split feeder or commuting distance issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Carson above also has the same split feeder issue that Fox Mill poster is complaining about in addition to their long commute.

Fox Mill poster here. I am not complaining about its commute. The commute to Carson is easy enough. Perfectly happy with it. I'll be less happy with the commute when we pupil place for an AP program but that will be our problem and we are aware of that. The only reason Fox Mill has a "weaker case" is because it has fewer students and people are happy to throw it under the bus.

Fox Mill didn't want to move 15 years ago and was ignored. A whole bunch of other schools were able to complain loudly enough that they were not moved, but Fox Mill is small and was ignored. People in the neighborhood love the ES and Carson. People move for HS or pupil place out for HS, it is still happening 15 years later. I believe that the number of kids pupil placing out of SLHS is slightly over 200 kids a year. So yes, there are parents who would be happy to move because they are already leaving. I know some IB parents who like SLHS, but that is a small number.

Fox Mill, which has Carson as it's base MS, can move to KAA. The Fox Mill group is smaller as well so it is easier to fit them in.

If we are worried about Crossfield commute, they can move to SLHS. Given how close Crossfield and Fox Mill are to each other, the commute will be shorter for them then the commute to Oakton. I suspect that they would prefer to stay at Oakton.

And yes, we are very well aware that the School Board doesn't care about us, it is why they made us move 15 years ago when the neighborhood was happy with Oakton.

When you adjust for transfers, Crossfield (581) isn't much larger than Fox Mill (543). This isn't going to be a big consideration.

Some of Crossfield goes to South Lakes (a fairly small area). It is unlikely that they would move to KAA. So, I doubt the Crossfield number is higher--if at all. It's hard to judge because of immersion program, AAP, etc.

I'm not so sure about that. The Thru prposals have the part of Crossfield at South Lakes moving to Oakton to eliminate the split feeder, so moving all of Crossfield to KAA would eliminate either a split feeder or commuting distance issue.

Gosh. I remember when they were sent to South Lakes. That neighborhood lost friendships over it. One I knew begged to stay at Oakton (where they were already going). The other demanded to go to South Lakes becaues they were part of Reston. And, now, they are sending them back?