ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I heard its gonna happen...does that help?

Probably best we all get on with the fall season and just see what happens!

Oh you mean that actual soccer thing on the field where the kids and parents should be focussed on excelling and not looking for excuses here there and everywhere instead

That is precisely what I mean. If you are good enough then you are good enough...they will find you regardless what month you were born in. Just get on with it!

Unfortunately, can't wave away relative age effects.

Sounds like your kid isn't good enough. If 9 months is the make or break then I think they were never destined to make it my friend. Lots of top players spend years playing up anyway. RAE is not an issue for the top players because they are just better.

Well, the top leagues in Europe are littered with Pro and International players that were biobanded, so your statement needs some modification.
Just a bit

WOW that just took a HUGE jump from possibly getting recruited to a college in the US to the top leagues in Europe. Did you know most kids in Europe that make up these leagues were in academies by U9? If your kid is good enough to make it to an MLS academy by say U13-14 then none of this makes any difference. So, if you want to talk about the best of the best (as you just dramatically raised the bar) and the .01% of players in the US, then if you are already good enough to make an MLS academy then none of this BY vs SY makes any difference.

No one raised any bar other than to point out your statement was misleading.

You said "RAE is not an issue for the best players"
The fact several of the world's best players were impacted by late development (rae and biobanding) that proves your statement false.
Pretty simple.

If they are several of "the world's best players" then don't they prove the point that RAE wasn't a factor? They made it...because they are good enough and their mentality was strong enough. RAE is an excuse for those who want to use excuses.

You're an idiot masquerading as knowledgeable.

RAE is only about late developers with skills good enough.
Not about all late developers.

Also, the impact if RAE is not about the players lack of performance, it's about the players not getting selected by coaches/clubs because of current physicality.

If some at Tottenham didn't decide to stick with a small Harry Kane when others wanted him cut, you wouldn't know his name.

Your mentality can be whatever levels. If the club doesn't select you because they say you're too small, it's beyond your control.

You lunatic

This is all too much for someone! I think the point about mentality is that you can be cut and still succeed. Harry Kane was cut as a youth by the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard its gonna happen...does that help?

Probably best we all get on with the fall season and just see what happens!

Oh you mean that actual soccer thing on the field where the kids and parents should be focussed on excelling and not looking for excuses here there and everywhere instead

That is precisely what I mean. If you are good enough then you are good enough...they will find you regardless what month you were born in. Just get on with it!

Unfortunately, can't wave away relative age effects.

Sounds like your kid isn't good enough. If 9 months is the make or break then I think they were never destined to make it my friend. Lots of top players spend years playing up anyway. RAE is not an issue for the top players because they are just better.

Well, the top leagues in Europe are littered with Pro and International players that were biobanded, so your statement needs some modification.
Just a bit

WOW that just took a HUGE jump from possibly getting recruited to a college in the US to the top leagues in Europe. Did you know most kids in Europe that make up these leagues were in academies by U9? If your kid is good enough to make it to an MLS academy by say U13-14 then none of this makes any difference. So, if you want to talk about the best of the best (as you just dramatically raised the bar) and the .01% of players in the US, then if you are already good enough to make an MLS academy then none of this BY vs SY makes any difference.

Many kids who enter top Cat1 academies at U8 and U9 don't make it to U18

Several get cut because of RAE

Eg, Rodri of Manchester City, considered the best CDM in the world today and ever by some, was cut by Atletico Madrid at 16 because of Physical Insufficiency (too small)

Cavin Sullivan...best US youth player and already signed for Man City. Been playing up several years and now playing in pro games as a 14 year old. Born in September.
Rodri was cut and still made it to the highest level because...if you are good enough you are good enough.
I'm sure we can find examples all over the place that go in favor of both arguments, but if you are using RAE as an excuse then you aren't good enough.

A few examples or my kid did x doesn't invalidate the plethora of RAE peer reviewed studies with large datasets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard its gonna happen...does that help?

Probably best we all get on with the fall season and just see what happens!

Oh you mean that actual soccer thing on the field where the kids and parents should be focussed on excelling and not looking for excuses here there and everywhere instead

That is precisely what I mean. If you are good enough then you are good enough...they will find you regardless what month you were born in. Just get on with it!

Unfortunately, can't wave away relative age effects.

Sounds like your kid isn't good enough. If 9 months is the make or break then I think they were never destined to make it my friend. Lots of top players spend years playing up anyway. RAE is not an issue for the top players because they are just better.

Well, the top leagues in Europe are littered with Pro and International players that were biobanded, so your statement needs some modification.
Just a bit

WOW that just took a HUGE jump from possibly getting recruited to a college in the US to the top leagues in Europe. Did you know most kids in Europe that make up these leagues were in academies by U9? If your kid is good enough to make it to an MLS academy by say U13-14 then none of this makes any difference. So, if you want to talk about the best of the best (as you just dramatically raised the bar) and the .01% of players in the US, then if you are already good enough to make an MLS academy then none of this BY vs SY makes any difference.

No one raised any bar other than to point out your statement was misleading.

You said "RAE is not an issue for the best players"
The fact several of the world's best players were impacted by late development (rae and biobanding) that proves your statement false.
Pretty simple.

If they are several of "the world's best players" then don't they prove the point that RAE wasn't a factor? They made it...because they are good enough and their mentality was strong enough. RAE is an excuse for those who want to use excuses.

You're an idiot masquerading as knowledgeable.

RAE is only about late developers with skills good enough.
Not about all late developers.

Also, the impact if RAE is not about the players lack of performance, it's about the players not getting selected by coaches/clubs because of current physicality.

If some at Tottenham didn't decide to stick with a small Harry Kane when others wanted him cut, you wouldn't know his name.

Your mentality can be whatever levels. If the club doesn't select you because they say you're too small, it's beyond your control.

You lunatic

This is all too much for someone! I think the point about mentality is that you can be cut and still succeed. Harry Kane was cut as a youth by the way.

You can be cut and succeed, it is just you are less likely if you are on the younger side of the age group. This applies even before puberty.

[Anonymous]

If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

If birth month has nothing to do with it then people on the BY side should not care if the change happens or not because with that logic no kids born Aug to Dec would be able to take rosters spots if they play with kids in their grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard its gonna happen...does that help?

Probably best we all get on with the fall season and just see what happens!

Oh you mean that actual soccer thing on the field where the kids and parents should be focussed on excelling and not looking for excuses here there and everywhere instead

That is precisely what I mean. If you are good enough then you are good enough...they will find you regardless what month you were born in. Just get on with it!

Unfortunately, can't wave away relative age effects.

Sounds like your kid isn't good enough. If 9 months is the make or break then I think they were never destined to make it my friend. Lots of top players spend years playing up anyway. RAE is not an issue for the top players because they are just better.

Well, the top leagues in Europe are littered with Pro and International players that were biobanded, so your statement needs some modification.
Just a bit

WOW that just took a HUGE jump from possibly getting recruited to a college in the US to the top leagues in Europe. Did you know most kids in Europe that make up these leagues were in academies by U9? If your kid is good enough to make it to an MLS academy by say U13-14 then none of this makes any difference. So, if you want to talk about the best of the best (as you just dramatically raised the bar) and the .01% of players in the US, then if you are already good enough to make an MLS academy then none of this BY vs SY makes any difference.

No one raised any bar other than to point out your statement was misleading.

You said "RAE is not an issue for the best players"
The fact several of the world's best players were impacted by late development (rae and biobanding) that proves your statement false.
Pretty simple.

If they are several of "the world's best players" then don't they prove the point that RAE wasn't a factor? They made it...because they are good enough and their mentality was strong enough. RAE is an excuse for those who want to use excuses.

You're an idiot masquerading as knowledgeable.

RAE is only about late developers with skills good enough.
Not about all late developers.

Also, the impact if RAE is not about the players lack of performance, it's about the players not getting selected by coaches/clubs because of current physicality.

If some at Tottenham didn't decide to stick with a small Harry Kane when others wanted him cut, you wouldn't know his name.

Your mentality can be whatever levels. If the club doesn't select you because they say you're too small, it's beyond your control.

You lunatic

This is all too much for someone! I think the point about mentality is that you can be cut and still succeed. Harry Kane was cut as a youth by the way.

You can be cut and succeed, it is just you are less likely if you are on the younger side of the age group. This applies even before puberty.

Everyone can come back through setbacks.

The point is there's a bias against late developers. For every small Declan Rice and Kevin De Bruyne who made it to the top, many late developers weren't given the chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

This whole thread is an excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

This whole thread is an excuse.

Ignoring all the other nonsense thrown out here, if you want to live in a reality that trapped players have no disadvantage then sure. The goal of ECNL is to get players seen by college coaches. This change would make that process easier. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

This whole thread is an excuse.

Ignoring all the other nonsense thrown out here, if you want to live in a reality that trapped players have no disadvantage then sure. The goal of ECNL is to get players seen by college coaches. This change would make that process easier. That's all that matters.

Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

This whole thread is an excuse.

Ignoring all the other nonsense thrown out here, if you want to live in a reality that trapped players have no disadvantage then sure. The goal of ECNL is to get players seen by college coaches. This change would make that process easier. That's all that matters.

And I thought the goal of ECNL was player development. Nice to learn something new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL changes to the grad year and no other leagues follow, it would give them a huge advantage. I can't believe they would not proceed forward.

I think that would just make me think that they are the league for players who are not competitive enough or just don’t have high aspirations.

It’s crazy to me that parents would give their kids the idea that their birth month has anything to do with their development and their ability to be successful.

Then your not very smart.

Spoken like someone who makes excuses for everything.

They didn't make an excuse.

This whole thread is an excuse.

Ignoring all the other nonsense thrown out here, if you want to live in a reality that trapped players have no disadvantage then sure. The goal of ECNL is to get players seen by college coaches. This change would make that process easier. That's all that matters.

I don’t disagree that trapped players have no disadvantages but I think parents are turning it into a way bigger deal for their kids that necessary.