New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

You don’t seem well versed in what is going on, which makes sense because you don’t live in the county and I don’t know why you’re so invested in what happens in other peoples communities. But if you must, go argue with WABA because they are promoting and endorsing changes. Probably because they know if there are not changes this will be the last bike lane ever installed on a major arterial in the county.

Yes, WABA has suggested small changes TO MAKE THE BIKE LANES BETTER. All those people shouting on NextDoor about how they drove by the bike lanes and the bike lanes looked dangerous should support WABA's approach.

The people occupying the most space on Old Georgetown Road "in other people's communities" are there in cars. Go worry about keeping the other drivers out. They're who's causing the traffic some of your neighbors are so worried about. You, yourself, seem to be most upset about the idea that people also walk, take the bus, and ride bikes on Old Georgetown Road (especially the bikes, you're very upset about the bikes), and I can't help you with that. That's a you issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

Almost none of this will happen. The delays are real and have spilled over to 355. The number is of serious crashes and deaths wasn’t statistically significant in the first place so you can’t really evaluate change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

Almost none of this will happen. The delays are real and have spilled over to 355. The number is of serious crashes and deaths wasn’t statistically significant in the first place so you can’t really evaluate change.

Maybe you can't, but SHA can, and will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

You don’t seem well versed in what is going on, which makes sense because you don’t live in the county and I don’t know why you’re so invested in what happens in other peoples communities. But if you must, go argue with WABA because they are promoting and endorsing changes. Probably because they know if there are not changes this will be the last bike lane ever installed on a major arterial in the county.

Yes, WABA has suggested small changes TO MAKE THE BIKE LANES BETTER. All those people shouting on NextDoor about how they drove by the bike lanes and the bike lanes looked dangerous should support WABA's approach.

The people occupying the most space on Old Georgetown Road "in other people's communities" are there in cars. Go worry about keeping the other drivers out. They're who's causing the traffic some of your neighbors are so worried about. You, yourself, seem to be most upset about the idea that people also walk, take the bus, and ride bikes on Old Georgetown Road (especially the bikes, you're very upset about the bikes), and I can't help you with that. That's a you issue.

This is why bike lanes are the perfect NIMBY solution for keeping people out of their neighborhoods and limiting growth. Look what a small group of vocal NIMBYs was able to do on Old Georgetown Road. It’s the only successful NIMBY effort in this county in recent memory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

You don’t seem well versed in what is going on, which makes sense because you don’t live in the county and I don’t know why you’re so invested in what happens in other peoples communities. But if you must, go argue with WABA because they are promoting and endorsing changes. Probably because they know if there are not changes this will be the last bike lane ever installed on a major arterial in the county.

Yes, WABA has suggested small changes TO MAKE THE BIKE LANES BETTER. All those people shouting on NextDoor about how they drove by the bike lanes and the bike lanes looked dangerous should support WABA's approach.

The people occupying the most space on Old Georgetown Road "in other people's communities" are there in cars. Go worry about keeping the other drivers out. They're who's causing the traffic some of your neighbors are so worried about. You, yourself, seem to be most upset about the idea that people also walk, take the bus, and ride bikes on Old Georgetown Road (especially the bikes, you're very upset about the bikes), and I can't help you with that. That's a you issue.

You realize how bizarre this is right? A person that lives outside Montgomery County posting hundreds of times over pages and pages and who lacks basic knowledge about what they are talking about and says things that are not based in reality. It’s the internet equivalent those people screaming on the street corner (or bus) about aliens.

WABA says, “…we support efforts to refine the design to smooth out disruptive impacts to drivers.” I’m sorry that you have a hard time living in this reality but I bet the place you’ve created in your head must be interesting.

[Anonymous]

Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

You don’t seem well versed in what is going on, which makes sense because you don’t live in the county and I don’t know why you’re so invested in what happens in other peoples communities. But if you must, go argue with WABA because they are promoting and endorsing changes. Probably because they know if there are not changes this will be the last bike lane ever installed on a major arterial in the county.

Yes, WABA has suggested small changes TO MAKE THE BIKE LANES BETTER. All those people shouting on NextDoor about how they drove by the bike lanes and the bike lanes looked dangerous should support WABA's approach.

The people occupying the most space on Old Georgetown Road "in other people's communities" are there in cars. Go worry about keeping the other drivers out. They're who's causing the traffic some of your neighbors are so worried about. You, yourself, seem to be most upset about the idea that people also walk, take the bus, and ride bikes on Old Georgetown Road (especially the bikes, you're very upset about the bikes), and I can't help you with that. That's a you issue.

WABA says, “…we support efforts to refine the design to smooth out disruptive impacts to drivers.” I’m sorry that you have a hard time living in this reality but I bet the place you’ve created in your head must be interesting.

This pretty much sums it up. WABA knows the failure of these lanes threatens the rest of its advocacy agenda in Maryland at least. It’s very telling that not a single elected official showed up for the ACT bike ride, including Andrew Friedson who lives right down the street and goes biking with Casey Anderson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, it'll fail and the paint and plastic will be removed. It's only a matter of time

SHA issued a press release recently that indicates they are digging in their heels. They seem to believe that an adjustment period is needed and then very thing will be fine. My experience with SHA is that they do what they want and are reflexively defensive. For example, they refuse to release accident stats for intersections.

However, Korman is a man of his word and is quite powerful and the business community has to be up in arms. So I’m confident there will be some changes eventually. Even cyclists are saying that it’s too much.

You don't say.

Once the project is finished and they evaluate it, this is what they'll find: fewer serious crashes, fewer injury crashes, less speeding, minimal effect on overall driving times, more people bicycling, much more comfortable walking, overall increase in safety.

You don’t seem well versed in what is going on, which makes sense because you don’t live in the county and I don’t know why you’re so invested in what happens in other peoples communities. But if you must, go argue with WABA because they are promoting and endorsing changes. Probably because they know if there are not changes this will be the last bike lane ever installed on a major arterial in the county.

Yes, WABA has suggested small changes TO MAKE THE BIKE LANES BETTER. All those people shouting on NextDoor about how they drove by the bike lanes and the bike lanes looked dangerous should support WABA's approach.

The people occupying the most space on Old Georgetown Road "in other people's communities" are there in cars. Go worry about keeping the other drivers out. They're who's causing the traffic some of your neighbors are so worried about. You, yourself, seem to be most upset about the idea that people also walk, take the bus, and ride bikes on Old Georgetown Road (especially the bikes, you're very upset about the bikes), and I can't help you with that. That's a you issue.

WABA says, “…we support efforts to refine the design to smooth out disruptive impacts to drivers.” I’m sorry that you have a hard time living in this reality but I bet the place you’ve created in your head must be interesting.

This pretty much sums it up. WABA knows the failure of these lanes threatens the rest of its advocacy agenda in Maryland at least. It’s very telling that not a single elected official showed up for the ACT bike ride, including Andrew Friedson who lives right down the street and goes biking with Casey Anderson.

Exactly. If they don’t fix this, there won’t be another bike lane is this county, particularly after they were removed from University. It’s telling that WABA won’t say publicly now that they specifically advocated for this design.

Friedson made a point of showing up for the ghost bike ceremony on River Rd recently. The guy is really slimy, trying to play to different constituencies thinking that people cannot see what he’s doing. I know that when people contacted his office about Little Falls Parkway he said it was an independent decision of Parks and Planning. I bet he’s now ducking constituents and saying that this is on the state and SHA, which I’m sure had not endeared him to Korman. It’s interesting that Korman is this really nice guy and he never mentions Friedson on his Twitter but had made a point to post about Berliner. I think everyone who pays even a modicum of attention knows what Friedson is about.

And where is Evan Glass. He loves to posture about these issues but he’s even Council President now and turns out he also has nothing to say.

Elected officials are running from this like a wet turd. It doesn’t seem wise to leave Korman alone holding the bag considering his current leadership roles in Annapolis. But craven politicians will be craven politicians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

Oddly, the local NIMBYs don't seem to have gotten the memo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

Again. How can you possibly know where people are from in an anonymous forum?

-local resident that absolutely lives here and travels multiple times a day on OGR, including for the daily commute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

Oddly, the local NIMBYs don't seem to have gotten the memo.

And this is why I know you don’t live in Montgomery County because you don’t understand the politics at all. Like absolutely no idea what’s going on. It’s funny. And kinda sad. Keep posting though, I’m enjoying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

This 100 percent tracks with my 30+ years living in Montgomery County, most of it in silver spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

This 100 percent tracks with my 30+ years living in Montgomery County, most of it in silver spring.

Doesn't someone who lives in Silver Spring have no business opining on Old Georgetown, though? No matter which part of Silver Spring. The only people who are allowed to opine on Old Georgetown are people who live in Bethesda and drive for every trip and errand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those outside agitator NIMBYs are doing amazing work here, or is it those NIMBY outside agitators?

It is out of County residents lobbying for an outcome that favors local NIMBYs who don’t want people using the state highway in their neighborhood. Understand now? Or is that too hard to comprehend?

This 100 percent tracks with my 30+ years living in Montgomery County, most of it in silver spring.

Doesn't someone who lives in Silver Spring have no business opining on Old Georgetown, though? No matter which part of Silver Spring. The only people who are allowed to opine on Old Georgetown are people who live in Bethesda and drive for every trip and errand.

You seem to have a hard time coping with the fact that not being a county resident means that your opinion doesn’t matter.