Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check?

Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way.

I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people.

I am 13:59 and 14:06. And I stand by what I wrote.

I am not 14:15 nor 14:29. Again, several of us are on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Not an attorney or a publicist. Not a frequent poster on this thread. But I'll wager a prediction about this case: Blake is going down. I don't know what will happen in court but Blake is not going to get much work at all, because she's too much of a liability. Even if she wins, she will lose. By contrast, Baldoni will become highly successful because this case has made him famous and hasn't reflected negatively on him.

I *am* a frequent poster on this thread, and I tend to take Lively’s side, and I agree that what you’re saying is highly probable. Even if she wins. I don’t think it’s right, but that seems to be the culture.

I’m not sure that the culture is wrong here though. If Blake was sexually harassed, she didn’t go through the right channels.

Someone on her team, her PR folks, certainly legal, ideally any other trusted advisor, should have told her what happens when a woman accuses a man of sexual harassment. We are in a different time with me too, but you still need to follow certain protocols. From what a lot of people are seeing about this case, she complained about some inappropriate behavior during the strike, everyone met about it, and the inappropriate behavior was stopped. I think people are confused…. that is kind of the ideal situation. At most, she should’ve complained to SAG and gone to HR. Evidence shows that she tried to go to Sony and they told her they couldn’t handle it, which is a bit of a red flag given they are a big corporation, if it wasn’t in their purview, they should’ve directed her to go to sag. SAG is the non-biased third-party that is there to help.

Instead she went scorched Earth and really started a PR war with him to publicly damage his reputation over the summer. It seems she assumed a lot of the bad press was from the campaign, but again, a trusted advisor should’ve said, look maybe his campaign did some of this, but clearly some of this is organic and clearly you are not as loved by the public as we thought and let’s admit we got some of the marketing for this movie wrong and some fans are pissed. Let’s lay low and let this pass.

Then we find out they did this really dubious legal maneuver with a doe lawsuit that exposed that she started a company with ryan when he was very married to someone else. And she gets her very private friend Taylor Swift involved. It just seems like this was really poorly thought out.

If they they could just run to the New York Times and she would become some sort of me to movement hero, standing up for women everywhere, I mean, that’s just really really bad advice and reading the room wrong.

Is your argument here really that if Blake was really sexually harassed, she still deserves to "go down" because she failed to be a quiet victim? Seriously? Like in a universe where she 100% was harassed and retaliated against, you still blame Blake for choosing to fight against the people who [again in this hypothetical where she was wronged] wronged her?

That's gross. Shut up. Anyone who is harassed has a right to speak up. Not an obligation to "lay low and let this pass." Just no.

Again, Blake was not harassed. You must be new. You sound like a teen that’s new to this discussion.

Even the most ardent BL supporters on this site do not believe that she was harassed. Uncomfortable, yes. Harassed, no.

And for those of us that have been harassed (which are several of us), Blake’s narrative is a mockery to what we’ve been through.

She is always short or lacking in provable, material facts. She’s often long and insufferable on suggestive and non supported ones, proven to be more fiction than fact.

DP to PP you are responding to. What are you talking about? If her allegations are true I think she was harassed. You don’t speak for me, so don’t purport to.

I have also been harassed, and I find her claims credible. Multiple people in this thread have told you this and yet you still refuse to believe it.

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Specifically regarding the birth scene, Baldoni hasn't really disputed what I consider to be the jet allegations: that they pressured her to simulate full nudity the morning it was filmed even though it was not scripted that way (and taking language about women and childbirth I find offensive), that the compromise was still more exposed than she was comfortable with, that the filming if the scene was handled unprofessionally, and that after they'd already filmed it, Baldoni and Heath continued pressure her about it with Heath even attempting to show her a birth video without her consent.

Again, these are allegations, nothing is proven. But they haven't disputed any of what I just wrote except to argue the scene was handled professionally (so competing narratives there). So I'm open to hearing evidence and if it happened as Lively describes, I think that's SH.

I don’t find BL credible on the birthing scene stuff. Simulated full nudity is not allowed in a pg13 movie so the allegation doesn’t even make sense. I also find the language her lawyers and PR people use to be suspicious and intended to mislead. They say she “was partially nude from below the chest” even after witnesses have corroborated that she was wearing shorts. So what exactly is their definition of partial nudity? I’m wearing shorts right now and my legs are exposed, does that make me partially nude? Guess it does in BL’s mind.

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Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

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Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

They always fail to mention her sister Robyn was cast for the cameo role of Ms. Byland.

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Anonymous wrote:You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check?

Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way.

I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people.

DP. Oh it was the same poster, we all recognize her at this point

Some of those were mine fwiw. So definitely more than one person.

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Anonymous wrote:You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check?

Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way.

I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people.

DP. Oh it was the same poster, we all recognize her at this point

Some of those were mine fwiw. So definitely more than one person.

Pp sorry my mistake but I’m sensitive bc there is the pro BL, anti ‘Team Baldoni’, protective order, legal note taker who posts repetitively and will sometimes reply to herself ‘great thought! but did you read this part of the complaint?’

But I stand corrected

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Anonymous wrote:You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check?

Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way.

I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people.

DP. Oh it was the same poster, we all recognize her at this point

Some of those were mine fwiw. So definitely more than one person.

Pp sorry my mistake but I’m sensitive bc there is the pro BL, anti ‘Team Baldoni’, protective order, legal note taker who posts repetitively and will sometimes reply to herself ‘great thought! but did you read this part of the complaint?’

But I stand corrected

Consider that that's also not always the same person. I'm not the PO poster, but I have engaged with her and been accused of replying to myself. Very tedious. And yes, I know someone is going to chime in "lol, we know it's you."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check?

Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way.

I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people.

DP. Oh it was the same poster, we all recognize her at this point

Some of those were mine fwiw. So definitely more than one person.

Pp sorry my mistake but I’m sensitive bc there is the pro BL, anti ‘Team Baldoni’, protective order, legal note taker who posts repetitively and will sometimes reply to herself ‘great thought! but did you read this part of the complaint?’

But I stand corrected

Consider that that's also not always the same person. I'm not the PO poster, but I have engaged with her and been accused of replying to myself. Very tedious. And yes, I know someone is going to chime in "lol, we know it's you."

Right. I am the PO poster but am different from PO above, and we sometimes do respond to one another.

I am the one who thought you all were the same poster, and am sorry about that. My mistake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

I think it’s weird how certain about all of this some of you are. We’ll see how the evidence plays out. I will say again as others have said but you guys arguing this ignore that the dance scene is interpreted by different people in different ways, and to me shows her recoiling from him and trying to talk him out of kissing her. I have seen people on Reddit posting similar.

Anyway, you seem very certain of this and I don’t know how you can be. I just think some of you have been very sure about other things and turned out to be totally wrong, so *shrug*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

I think it’s weird how certain about all of this some of you are. We’ll see how the evidence plays out. I will say again as others have said but you guys arguing this ignore that the dance scene is interpreted by different people in different ways, and to me shows her recoiling from him and trying to talk him out of kissing her. I have seen people on Reddit posting similar.

Anyway, you seem very certain of this and I don’t know how you can be. I just think some of you have been very sure about other things and turned out to be totally wrong, so *shrug*

It’s not Justin’s job to read BL’s nonverbal communication or what she calls using humor to deflect. If she had an issue with the dance scene, she should’ve used her words and said that. She could’ve said let’s cut and discuss the direction of the scene. As others have said many times, JB was in character and behaving as the character had in the book. Not his fault Blake didn’t read the book and has trouble separating real life from acting. She’s an adult. She doesn’t seem to have a problem using her words when she’s smearing others or being rude to reporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

I think it’s weird how certain about all of this some of you are. We’ll see how the evidence plays out. I will say again as others have said but you guys arguing this ignore that the dance scene is interpreted by different people in different ways, and to me shows her recoiling from him and trying to talk him out of kissing her. I have seen people on Reddit posting similar.

Anyway, you seem very certain of this and I don’t know how you can be. I just think some of you have been very sure about other things and turned out to be totally wrong, so *shrug*

DP. I'm not anti-Blake but not her supporter either. I really want to hear depos from people like her assistant or makeup artist that was there when Heath turned around and saw her topless; anyone other than Mondschein who was present for the birth scene; and especially the driver she says told her not to be alone with after the consent discussion. Those are where I think she can make headway if they corroborate her story (and I'm 100% fine with her not doing that through the press).

The dance though, is going to be a really, really, really hard sell to a jury or anyone who is not coming in leaning Lively. There's a reason why her description of that scene is very different in her original complaint. Her original description of it was compelling to me but the video discredited it. Then she amended with a totally different uncomfortable and pulling away narrative. And maybe she did feel uncomfortable but it's just not as compelling as the original narrative where she made it sound like there was no talking at all and he just started whispering creepy things out of nowhere to her, personally. The lawyers did the best they could to recast it but I believe had they had the footage originally, they probably never would have included that entire allegation. It's by far the biggest win for Baldoni to this point.

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Marvel filed a motion to quash a subpoena on Nicepool stuff or at least to stay pending Reynolds' MTD, and also for anything produced to be deemed confidential.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.86.0_1.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Marvel filed a motion to quash a subpoena on Nicepool stuff or at least to stay pending Reynolds' MTD, and also for anything produced to be deemed confidential.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.86.0_1.pdf

Team Justin but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s granted. RR is a lunatic but nicepool is likely protected satire. But who knows, maybe Liman will surprise us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol is the “other cast member” who said nothing went wrong during the birth scene Justin Bakdoni’s Halai best friend, the actor who played the obstetrician? That seems totally legit!

Well, if he is deposed and he is under oath and tells his experience, it will be legit though won’t it?

He is a professional actor who was hired for the role. There’s no reason to think he would just blatantly lie. Nothing happened with the damn birth scene, just drop it already.

I think it’s weird how certain about all of this some of you are. We’ll see how the evidence plays out. I will say again as others have said but you guys arguing this ignore that the dance scene is interpreted by different people in different ways, and to me shows her recoiling from him and trying to talk him out of kissing her. I have seen people on Reddit posting similar.

Anyway, you seem very certain of this and I don’t know how you can be. I just think some of you have been very sure about other things and turned out to be totally wrong, so *shrug*

It’s not Justin’s job to read BL’s nonverbal communication or what she calls using humor to deflect. If she had an issue with the dance scene, she should’ve used her words and said that. She could’ve said let’s cut and discuss the direction of the scene. As others have said many times, JB was in character and behaving as the character had in the book. Not his fault Blake didn’t read the book and has trouble separating real life from acting. She’s an adult. She doesn’t seem to have a problem using her words when she’s smearing others or being rude to reporters.

I watched that stupid scene so many times—really trying to strip away any bias I might have. She pulls away at times, but she also pulls him closer at times too. It’s not like she’s consistently trying to push him away. Add that to the fact that they’re in character, and it’s just pretty ridiculous to have included that in her complaint. Maybe there are other instances of actual SH that will be proven, but this was clearly thrown in an attempt to show a pattern.

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Wallace has filed his amended complaint. Makes Blake look really bad, like she’s punching down. The judge should grant his MTD, and if he doesn’t, Blake should settle out of court and pay him what he’s asking for (14 million) and cut her losses. I think it’s pretty clear she’s caused this guy a lot of trouble, and he’s really just a regular person who got paid for a job and had never met Blake or Justin and knew nothing of the supposed SH. It’s a bit ridiculous that she’s suing him.