FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

Doesn't Keene Mill already has kids from 3 different high schools attending it?

The AAP kids coming in from other pyramids don't count.

Honestly, the rezoning fix that makes the most sense for WSHS is eliminating the split feeder at Sangster and sending 100% of Sangster to Lake Braddock.

That is the least disruptive move, the most equivalent move, and keeps everyone including Sangster families within their communities.

But yes, if the goal is to rezone WSHS neighborhoods from WSHS to Lewis, the only neighborhoods that make sense are the ones that are located 10 minutes/2 miles from Lewis, Keene Mill and Daventry, not the neighborhoods on the opposite end of WSHS and more than twice the distance away.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we are not as vocal or have as much time to post as you seem to do, but we do exist and are ready to see some change.

And no I’m not going to explain exactly what that change is.

You’re very vocal, don’t lie.

We know you want equity by bringing the system down to the lowest level. You don’t need to explain it to us!

Haven’t posted in months. Me being a lurker is the only thing you’ve got right about me.

I think it’s ridiculous that all the title 1
ES schools in the area feed into the same high school.
I also think it unfair that children attending schools just a few miles from each other have such vastly differences experiences. If that makes me an equity warrior, so be it.

All shifting the boundaries will do is increase test scores by shifting who is taking the test. The average will increase but that will hide the fact that the poor kids are still scoring low.

Fixing the issue of low scores for low SES families and URM requires the families care about education and that tends not to be the case. You have kids being raised by drop outs or parents who didn’t attend school who were raised by drop outs and parents who didn’t attend school. Eight hours of school, five days a week rarely overcomes the home environment.

I agree, the issue of low scores for low SES families will not be fixed by boundary changes. But it would help students all students have a more equitable experience than their peers just up the road. It might discourage other MC/UMC families like mine from trying to avoiding the school by pupil placing, private, etc., and making the problem worse. The boundary review is a step in the right direction, not a solution intended to fix all problems.

I'm confused by your post. You're trying to say that fixing the issue of low scores for kids from low SES families will make more MC/UMC kids want to go to school with them. But doing that requires a boundary review that transfers MC/UMC kids to schools with low income families. And that's the solution. But that doesn't make any sense. You aren't actually helping lower income kids via more eductional support, etc. You're just trying to move MC/UMC kids in to mask the problem.

She wants other people's kids to move to those schools

DP. I believe all school districts should strive to keep all boundaries as compact as possible.

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But, I don't believe in moving kids so scores will go up at those schools.
Improve the school first by attacking the problem.

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Of course all schools should work on improving education for all students. However, schools can only do so much when students are constantly moving, are absent, and have challenging home lives.

So, by your logic, is it ok to only move kids to another school with similar academic levels? Geography should never be factored in if there is a disparity in scores between neighboring schools?

Does this mean students from wealthier schools should never be redistricted to a lower performing school, despite population changes?

I am trying to figure out your reasoning. Is redistricting good for some, but not for all?

I think we all want good education for all. But, as one of the SB supporters did, we also want to keep our kids where they are.
Of course, when a move is needed because of other reasons, it makes sense. But, not to improve test scores at a school. Putting in wealthier kids does not help poor kids.
The school can teach the kids where they are. And, it starts with being sure all kids in the school can get the courses they need. If they only have a small corhort, it is more challenging, but they should do it anyway.

And, believe me, the School Board is not concerned about improving education. Their concern is improving scores so the school looks better. Meanwhile, the struggling kids continue to struggle.

I'm strongly in favor of compact community schools. But, I also understand people who have attachment to their current schools. Schools fluctuate. A nearby school was more desirable than our in boundary school a few years ago. Now, our school is more desirable according to DCUM.

p.s. I do think that administration plays a HUGE role in a high school. When you read the profile page and the principal talks about DEI rather than academic achievement, it is a little troubling.

Maybe the principal is highlighting DEI to make some underperforming / underrepresented groups want to go to school and be successful.

I’m guessing it’s also hard to talk about academic achievement when there is none.

Academic achievement reflects family income. I am sure you are aware of this. Higher income families at those schools, tend to do well in college admissions, and there is decent support for those kids as well.

I actually prefer my high achievers learn how to be more independent, and learn how to navigate high school with less hand holding. They may not get all the classes they want, but I assume that will also be the case when signing up for college courses. They can practice overcoming adversity at a younger age.

DP - sounds like you appreciated getting to choose where your children go to school. That’s exactly what everyone in the county is looking for.

People move where they move and they know the schools they are zoned for when they move in.

So what? Schools have worsened over time and your response is basically “too bad, so sad” Give me a break!

Nobody is asking or expecting Lewis to become the most sought after HS in FCPS, but please stop gaslighting parents of kids who are in-bound that they should be fine with their place at the bottom. Of course I feel bad about kids who might be moved. But something has to change. We should all want to see improvements at Lewis, even if we don’t agree on what those changes should be.

But you knew what the area and the school’s reputation was like when you bought there … and you paid less than some of the surrounding areas as well.

Yes, we bought and paid for what we could afford at the time. So now, years later, despite the fact that the school struggles have gotten significantly worse over the years, we should just accept that? You love to advocate for the mental health of your kids and ”keeping our communities together” but our kids should just suck it up and deal or better yet, move or pupil place or private…no fcks given about OUR kids or communities.

But I’m the selfish one?

“Over the years” meaning you probably bought about 10 years ago. Well we did too and we were on a strict budget under $500k. There were plenty of TH’s at that price from Alexandria all the way to Fairfax. Springfield wasn’t the only place you could afford, be so for real right now. Hell we found the Saratoga/Rolling Road area to be somewhat over priced given the school quality. We knew if we had bought there we’d need to leave by early elementary.

We bought more than 10 years ago. Guess we should’ve moved, instead of expecting the school board to do its job and make responsible changes over time.

Well guess what, the opportunity is here now, and if that means advocating for a few students to move, doing residency checks on others, and tightening up loopholes to keep school communities compact, I am all for it!

Yeah, you should have moved. Because it’s been clear for a while the SB wasn’t going to do what needed to be done to help Lewis, like dumping IB. But you chose to stay and that’s fine. Maybe your kid can pupil place out too. But what isn’t fair is redistricting hundreds of more families to Lewis in an attempt to fill it up. When 300 kids pupil place out a year the problem is the school.

Please, let’s not discuss fairness…

And my point is, we shouldn’t HAVE to move. We’ve stayed around because they’ve been talking about a boundary review for years, and we love our community. I’m just glad that the plans may be finalized before we have to make a go/no decision on HS.

But tightening up the pupil placement loopholes is something I could get behind. Whatever it takes to create better outcomes for the school.

So get behind it: remove IB and keep AP, check family residency at start of ES MS and HS or check every year, online language options instead of transfer for languages

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

They technically wouldn’t need to create split feeders. There’s capacity at Crestwood, Garfield, and Saratoga, so they could just shave some SPAs off the edges of those elementary school boundaries and send them to Lewis feeding elementary schools.

With the scenario of sending Hunt Valley kids to South County, they couldn’t avoid a split feeder because Newington Forest was already at capacity and couldn’t take more students.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

They technically wouldn’t need to create split feeders. There’s capacity at Crestwood, Garfield, and Saratoga, so they could just shave some SPAs off the edges of those elementary school boundaries and send them to Lewis feeding elementary schools.

With the scenario of sending Hunt Valley kids to South County, they couldn’t avoid a split feeder because Newington Forest was already at capacity and couldn’t take more students.

Some of the scenarios do fix the RV split feeder by sending those kids to Saratoga.

But looking at a map, there are natural boundaries and road boundaries that make the Crestwood/Keene Mill and even Crestwood/North Springfield boundaries pretty clear cut, as well as the Garfield/West Springfield boundaries. Also some of those schools have to have trailers because of their Title 1 status and needing smaller class sizes, so if you try to pack in more students, they’d need more trailers.

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Ha! Somebody on Nextdoor is complaining about her kid having issues finding parking at Langley HS. The kid has a long commute (40 mons) to and from. Herdon has extra spots each year. Just sayin’.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! Somebody on Nextdoor is complaining about her kid having issues finding parking at Langley HS. The kid has a long commute (40 mons) to and from. Herdon has extra spots each year. Just sayin’.

Your life is pretty empty, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

They technically wouldn’t need to create split feeders. There’s capacity at Crestwood, Garfield, and Saratoga, so they could just shave some SPAs off the edges of those elementary school boundaries and send them to Lewis feeding elementary schools.

With the scenario of sending Hunt Valley kids to South County, they couldn’t avoid a split feeder because Newington Forest was already at capacity and couldn’t take more students.

And how would all the walkers walk? Bus a bunch of walkers from Keene mill//West Springfield to another elementary/middle and high just to make it not your kid. I get it.

No, there are 2 middle schools that go to Keene mill: Braddock and WSHS. This silly plan makes it 3, and destroys walk zones at all levels so it is a no go.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.

It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.

Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.

Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.

They only created Hunt valley split feeders from Thru. IF they took Keene Mill (almost all walk to Irving) then they would get rid of walkers or do a split feeder at middle school. Many Keene mill kids walk to WSHS. IF they took Daventry, that would be a split feeders from West Springfield as many of those kids walk to Irving.

It seems like you aren’t familiar with the neighborhoods. The kids who are already on a bus, and will always be on a bus to go to middle and high are kids from Hunt Valley, Orange Hunt and some parts of Rolling Valley.

Why make more bus routes?

Sorry, but busting any of those kids who are the farthest neighborhoods from Lewis past a half dozen elementary schools, so your neighborhood 10 minutes from Lewis that used to be zoned for Lewis doesn't get rezoned is just a ridiculous suggestion.

Those parts of Daventry and Keene Mill are bussed to WSHS, and Daventry is bussed to Lewis, so your bussing argument doesn't hold water.

So you will have split feeders at West Springfield es, hunt valley es, rolling valley es, and Irving in your proposal. And Keene Mill will have kids who attend 3 different high school attending it?

That really makes sense to you?

Doesn't Keene Mill already has kids from 3 different high schools attending it?

The AAP kids coming in from other pyramids don't count.

Honestly, the rezoning fix that makes the most sense for WSHS is eliminating the split feeder at Sangster and sending 100% of Sangster to Lake Braddock.

That is the least disruptive move, the most equivalent move, and keeps everyone including Sangster families within their communities.

But yes, if the goal is to rezone WSHS neighborhoods from WSHS to Lewis, the only neighborhoods that make sense are the ones that are located 10 minutes/2 miles from Lewis, Keene Mill and Daventry, not the neighborhoods on the opposite end of WSHS and more than twice the distance away.

Both WSHS and Braddock are closer than Lewis to those neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! Somebody on Nextdoor is complaining about her kid having issues finding parking at Langley HS. The kid has a long commute (40 mons) to and from. Herdon has extra spots each year. Just sayin’.

My kid got a parking spot as soon as she got her license sophomore year. She only has a five minute drive to Herndon High.

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Don't bring up parking to WSHS parents and students. Only about 30% of seniors got parking spots this year. Really inconvenient for everyone. So many seniors have a free period or work after school or need to drive to sports practice. And that doesn't take into account all the juniors with the same issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't bring up parking to WSHS parents and students. Only about 30% of seniors got parking spots this year. Really inconvenient for everyone. So many seniors have a free period or work after school or need to drive to sports practice. And that doesn't take into account all the juniors with the same issues.

You could get almost anywhere in WS’s boundaries on an e-bike or e-scooter. Maybe only the very southernmost areas that they’re thinking of sending to SC would be a problem, but even then I’m sure the kids all know the side roads and bike paths that connect a lot of neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! Somebody on Nextdoor is complaining about her kid having issues finding parking at Langley HS. The kid has a long commute (40 mons) to and from. Herdon has extra spots each year. Just sayin’.

According to Gemini:

Comparison of Key Metrics

Metric Langley High School Herndon High School
National Rank #148 #3,030
State Rank (VA) #3 #148
Graduation Rate 98% 79%
Reading Proficiency 99% 78%
Math Proficiency 97% 53%
AP Participation/Success Very High Lower
The data shows a clear and substantial performance gap. Langley High School is considered an elite, top-tier school based on its outstanding performance, while Herndon is a solid but lower-ranked institution in the Fairfax County Public Schools system.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't bring up parking to WSHS parents and students. Only about 30% of seniors got parking spots this year. Really inconvenient for everyone. So many seniors have a free period or work after school or need to drive to sports practice. And that doesn't take into account all the juniors with the same issues.

Less than half of seniors applied for parking.

Less than 30% of seniors at WSHS get parking every year, because there are only 215 student parking spots for the entire school.

The issue with senior parking this year is that they switched from a paper application that seniors had to pick up at the office, complete by hand listing all their activities and academy classes, get their parents to sign it, and turn it in on time by a deadline.

This year, the school switched to a Google form via the student emails, where the kids just selected from 4 or 5 boxes to check, such as sports, clubs, academy, etc, then hit submit. They did not have to list activities or commitments that required a car. The school did not verify any activities, sports or needs like academy classes, because they were flooded with senior parking applications by over a 50% increase, and had no way to verify need of a parking pass because they did not include that information on the Google form.

The parking pass issue is 100% caused by mistakes made when creating the Google form for the application this year instead of the paper form they always used for senior parking passes.

The senior parking pass debacle has zero to do with the school being over crowded and has everything to do with a very poorly executed senior parking pass application process.