Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

But don’t most musicians’ significant others have to deal with this? I mean Bono got together with his wife at age 15 but went on to write love and heartbreak songs for decades after. He is probably taking some artistic liberties and taking inspiration from books, movies, songs, etc as it’s not all drawn from direct experiences of a long-term marriage/coparenting relationship.

Same with the lead singer of Green Day Billy Jo Armstrong, Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and many more who are in decades long relationships that started young. They still have themes of heartbreak and longing but doesn’t mean they are in miserable relationships all the time.

Bono cheated on his wife and they almost broke up multiple times.

Jon Bon Jovi admits he’s waded into the “shallow pool” of the rock-star life over the years. He cheated too.

Well, you kind of proved my point. We don’t have threads and threads about these men cheating on their wives or treating them poorly Or wondering how their song lyrics affect their wives and mothers of their children. Yet there’s constant criticism of Taylor and how bad she is at relationships and how much she must be hurting Travis by putting out these albums. Seems like a big double standard. I wonder why.

There is a lot of discussion on other boards. I would guess the listening audience of Swifties doesn’t overlap much with Bono and Bon Jovi.

I mean yes random subreddits I’m sure but come on, you know there’s a lot more criticism of Taylor. There’s a double standard for women. Rockstars are boys will be boys and of course they’re going to cheat… Taylor is destroying these poor men’s lives and can’t settle down and is wasting her eggs. It’s totally different.

The criticism is also there because Taylor sings about wanting to get married and having babies.

These rock star boy types don't sing about pining for marriage and babies. A lot of them are fine with dating 25 year old groupies forever.

They complain about other things like how fame and fortune has ruined things in their life… if Tay Tay wrote that you’d be like boo hoo.

She does though. Lyrics from "The Lucky One":

And they tell you that you're lucky, but you're so confused
'Cause you don't feel pretty, you just feel used
And all the young things line up to take your place
Another name goes up in lights
You wonder if you'll make it out alive

And they say she's so lucky, she's a star, but she cries, cries, cries in her lonely heart... didn't Britney Spears sing this same song 20 years ago (and yes I know she didn't write it)

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

But don’t most musicians’ significant others have to deal with this? I mean Bono got together with his wife at age 15 but went on to write love and heartbreak songs for decades after. He is probably taking some artistic liberties and taking inspiration from books, movies, songs, etc as it’s not all drawn from direct experiences of a long-term marriage/coparenting relationship.

Same with the lead singer of Green Day Billy Jo Armstrong, Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and many more who are in decades long relationships that started young. They still have themes of heartbreak and longing but doesn’t mean they are in miserable relationships all the time.

Bono cheated on his wife and they almost broke up multiple times.

Jon Bon Jovi admits he’s waded into the “shallow pool” of the rock-star life over the years. He cheated too.

Well, you kind of proved my point. We don’t have threads and threads about these men cheating on their wives or treating them poorly Or wondering how their song lyrics affect their wives and mothers of their children. Yet there’s constant criticism of Taylor and how bad she is at relationships and how much she must be hurting Travis by putting out these albums. Seems like a big double standard. I wonder why.

There is a lot of discussion on other boards. I would guess the listening audience of Swifties doesn’t overlap much with Bono and Bon Jovi.

I mean yes random subreddits I’m sure but come on, you know there’s a lot more criticism of Taylor. There’s a double standard for women. Rockstars are boys will be boys and of course they’re going to cheat… Taylor is destroying these poor men’s lives and can’t settle down and is wasting her eggs. It’s totally different.

The criticism is also there because Taylor sings about wanting to get married and having babies.

These rock star boy types don't sing about pining for marriage and babies. A lot of them are fine with dating 25 year old groupies forever.

They complain about other things like how fame and fortune has ruined things in their life… if Tay Tay wrote that you’d be like boo hoo.

She does though. Lyrics from "The Lucky One":

And they tell you that you're lucky, but you're so confused
'Cause you don't feel pretty, you just feel used
And all the young things line up to take your place
Another name goes up in lights
You wonder if you'll make it out alive

And they say she's so lucky, she's a star, but she cries, cries, cries in her lonely heart... didn't Britney Spears sing this same song 20 years ago (and yes I know she didn't write it)

Aw, good blast from the past.

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

No...it's not charming. That's why she goes through men

This is rich coming from DCUM who tell young women to play the field, don't settle for the first or second, you can't possibly know what you want at a young age. Now you are vilifying the very behavior women on this board promote, hypocrites does not even come close to how f up in the mind so many of you women are, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and the advice you spew out. People, she is an entertainer with a carefully cultivated image that is built upon album after album. No different than any other artists. She's not my "cup of tea" but she has a brilliant business plan and is thriving by sticking to it, no need to over analyze it, it's just entertainment. What people get out of it and how they relate to it is part of the magic that is Taylor Swift who clearly touches a lot of peoples lives in different ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

This is so true. I had my daughters reread Pride and Prejudice every year around their birthdays once they became teenagers. To this day they carry on this tradition and we have such fascinating conversations over their ever changing viewpoints of the book with respect to their current lives. I do wish more classics were fostered at home, no one needs the schools for this to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

No...it's not charming. That's why she goes through men

This is rich coming from DCUM who tell young women to play the field, don't settle for the first or second, you can't possibly know what you want at a young age. Now you are vilifying the very behavior women on this board promote, hypocrites does not even come close to how f up in the mind so many of you women are, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and the advice you spew out. People, she is an entertainer with a carefully cultivated image that is built upon album after album. No different than any other artists. She's not my "cup of tea" but she has a brilliant business plan and is thriving by sticking to it, no need to over analyze it, it's just entertainment. What people get out of it and how they relate to it is part of the magic that is Taylor Swift who clearly touches a lot of peoples lives in different ways.

I agree that she's an entertainer with a carefully cultivated image. Also that she touches her fans. But isn't a large part of her fans' passion rooted in the idea that Taylor is authentic when she writes, that she lets them in to her inner world. Taylor deals in the truth of things. You hear it all the time. Her fans don't see her songs as "just entertainment".

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how the Eras tour will look in Europe. We are going to see her this summer and hope to hear some of these new songs live. Obsessed with the new album.

Wouldn’t it be fitting if she and Matty got back together and she brought him on stage to sing Post Malone’s part in Fortnight at her August Wembley show in London at the end of the European leg of her tour?

Here is to hoping! I love me some epic love story with an ending that no one could have predicted (but a mastermind).

This is not an epic love story. It's toxic as f**k.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how the Eras tour will look in Europe. We are going to see her this summer and hope to hear some of these new songs live. Obsessed with the new album.

Wouldn’t it be fitting if she and Matty got back together and she brought him on stage to sing Post Malone’s part in Fortnight at her August Wembley show in London at the end of the European leg of her tour?

Here is to hoping! I love me some epic love story with an ending that no one could have predicted (but a mastermind).

Some of us have predicted this...I've been on a closed reddit board (with 1k people from all over the globe, some came as TS fans, some as 1975 fans, some as both) since may 2023 on the topic. we knew what was going on all summer including Matty crashing his actual rental car in LA. The only big surprise has been this album.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

If you don't realize that some of the people listed above are contemporaries of Taylor Swift, and many others are just one generation behind (and therefore directly informing the culture and art that Taylor is working in), then I beg of you, try reading something OTHER than Taylor Swift liner notes.

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She wrote this album for herself, not the fans. If you don't get that, go back and listen to "I can do it with a broken heart".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

If you don't realize that some of the people listed above are contemporaries of Taylor Swift, and many others are just one generation behind (and therefore directly informing the culture and art that Taylor is working in), then I beg of you, try reading something OTHER than Taylor Swift liner notes.

Pp thinking Taylor's music has nothing to do with others, including older generations.

https://youtu.be/Ja2fgquYTCg?si=qtPI9RD6ORDdFyEg

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

If you don't realize that some of the people listed above are contemporaries of Taylor Swift, and many others are just one generation behind (and therefore directly informing the culture and art that Taylor is working in), then I beg of you, try reading something OTHER than Taylor Swift liner notes.

I don't even listen to TS but my daughter does. But I also don't listen to shitty jazz music and some of the other questionable choices you listed. To each their own but young people want their own music. There's nothing stopping them from listening to these dusty choices but they don't. Each generation wants their own music. And perhaps modern poetry doesn't speak to them either. For whatever reason, Taylor does. Maybe it's just not for you to understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious how the Eras tour will look in Europe. We are going to see her this summer and hope to hear some of these new songs live. Obsessed with the new album.

Wouldn’t it be fitting if she and Matty got back together and she brought him on stage to sing Post Malone’s part in Fortnight at her August Wembley show in London at the end of the European leg of her tour?

Here is to hoping! I love me some epic love story with an ending that no one could have predicted (but a mastermind).

Some of us have predicted this...I've been on a closed reddit board (with 1k people from all over the globe, some came as TS fans, some as 1975 fans, some as both) since may 2023 on the topic. we knew what was going on all summer including Matty crashing his actual rental car in LA. The only big surprise has been this album.

what was going on all summer?