How is FCPS teacher/staff shortage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here’s my question:

What is the plan? There are 588 missing teachers. That’s roughly 18,000 kids (30 per class) without a teacher.

What are the levers?
- Do they just make the classes bigger?
- move teachers around to share the pain between schools? Seems unfair to have some schools fully staffed while others are at 50%
- Put kids into the cafeteria all day?

Seriously, what is the PLAN?

Yes to the first. Combine classes so that there may be grades combined. Also resource teachers will be placed in classrooms to start the year. And central office staff. It will be done on a school by school basis.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

No, you’d still be potentially blacklisted. You signed a contract with the county, not your school :/

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

De-staffs are done by seniority accrdong to hire date. When were you hired by FCPS? Note that it’s not about when you started at a particular school, but when you were hired by FCPS.
There will not be many de-staffs this year. In order for it to happen, a school would have to be fully staffed AND the projections for enrollment were way off. Since she’s many schools have at least one vacancy, there is no one to de-staff.

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Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

Are you sure? What school is this?
Riverside?
Braddock?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

Sleepy Hollow ES?
Herndon ES?
Annandale Terrace?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

Yes you can. I went through this last year. I was de staffed and I was told that if the the only positions open were far away and didn’t work for me and my family, I could resign without prejudice. In the end I was moved to a closer school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

Anyone can leave at the end of year without penalty. It is a 1-year contract for just that school year, “Blackballing” happens when people leave mid year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why she got the percentage wrong?

She might have updated information. The staffed numbers go quite a bit each day at this time of year.

Why do they change each day? Which teachers are looking for positions this late in the summer?

There are always de-staffs. Not sure if that will happen this summer or not. But every year, teachers are de staffed right before school starts.

What is a de-staff? Is it people who got fired or people schools don't need because they miscalculated the number of enrolled students or both?

Not needed. I was de staffed because they thought they’d have the #s for 4 classes but did not. So I got transferred to another school.

Can you get out of your contract without penalty if you're destaffed? I thought about leaving last year but decided to stick it out at least one more year to see if things improve post-pandemic. If I got transferred to a worse school that's a much longer commute, that might just be the last straw for me.

Anyone can leave at the end of year without penalty. It is a 1-year contract for just that school year, “Blackballing” happens when people leave mid year.

I think they are talking about a de staff that happens in august before school starts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

Sleepy Hollow ES?
Herndon ES?
Annandale Terrace?

Interesting. I’ve met two teachers over the past week or so who left that school and they said it was because of the administrator(s).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

Sleepy Hollow ES?
Herndon ES?
Annandale Terrace?

PP, how did you generate this list? I accepted a position had one of these schools because it is closer to home. Is it based on the number of jobs posted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s my question:

What is the plan? There are 588 missing teachers. That’s roughly 18,000 kids (30 per class) without a teacher.

What are the levers?
- Do they just make the classes bigger?
- move teachers around to share the pain between schools? Seems unfair to have some schools fully staffed while others are at 50%
- Put kids into the cafeteria all day?

Seriously, what is the PLAN?

Yes to the first. Combine classes so that there may be grades combined. Also resource teachers will be placed in classrooms to start the year. And central office staff. It will be done on a school by school basis.

Yep- I’ve heard central office resource teachers will be assigned to schools (which, good- it’s about time) and possibly folks who were classroom teachers last year but took other jobs this year May be put back in the classroom (ICs are the position I specifically keep hearing, which, again, good!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s my question:

What is the plan? There are 588 missing teachers. That’s roughly 18,000 kids (30 per class) without a teacher.

What are the levers?
- Do they just make the classes bigger?
- move teachers around to share the pain between schools? Seems unfair to have some schools fully staffed while others are at 50%
- Put kids into the cafeteria all day?

Seriously, what is the PLAN?

Yes to the first. Combine classes so that there may be grades combined. Also resource teachers will be placed in classrooms to start the year. And central office staff. It will be done on a school by school basis.

Yep- I’ve heard central office resource teachers will be assigned to schools (which, good- it’s about time) and possibly folks who were classroom teachers last year but took other jobs this year May be put back in the classroom (ICs are the position I specifically keep hearing, which, again, good!)

And they will be paid their regular salary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way it’s 97% staffed. Way too many vacancies listed. (Plus we know that not all are listed.)

Math is our friend:

13,149 classroom teachers (https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=2&ID2=5101260)

This doesn’t include positions such as counselors, librarians and IAs. So let’s add to that number and make it 13,200 total instructional positions.

At the principals’ briefing yesterday, there were currently 588 vacancies.

13200 - 588 = 12612 filled positions.

12612 / 13200 = 96% filled

So she was off by 1 percent.

Yeah, 97% filled sounds much better than 588 vacancies.

112 of those are K-6 classroom teachers. Not IA, SPED or Specials teachers - just classroom teachers.

There are 140 elementary schools. That’s less than one teacher per school.

My school still has 50% of classes unstaffed in upper elementary. New teachers report to training in 6 days, and to their school in 11 days. Long-term subs? We can’t even get regular subs. Where these teachers will magically come from is a mystery.

Your region needs to take a hard look at the administration. There’s a reason people don’t want to work there.

Sleepy Hollow ES?
Herndon ES?
Annandale Terrace?

PP, how did you generate this list? I accepted a position had one of these schools because it is closer to home. Is it based on the number of jobs posted?

Staff talk. The # of listings the past few months too.