Doing a mini-CTCL tour - thoughts on these?

[Anonymous]

Ohio Wesleyan
Earlham
Beloit
Lawrence
Knox
Kalamazoo

Might throw in Butler also for a chance of pace.

[Anonymous]

Check the financial condition of these schools. Many are struggling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Check the financial condition of these schools. Many are struggling.

Endowments per student (rounded):

Earlham 367,000
Lawrence 206,000
Kalamazoo 150,000
Ohio Wesleyan 135,000
Beloit 112,000
Knox 106,000
Butler 45,000

With the exception of Butler, these all have decent endowments, & Earlham and Lawrence's are quite good. They offer good tuition discounts, but yes, barely anyone pays full sticker price. If your UMC, that works in your favor. We visited Lawrence & Kalamazoo, and my kid liked both a lot. I would be happy if he went to either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ohio Wesleyan
Earlham
Beloit
Lawrence
Knox
Kalamazoo

Might throw in Butler also for a chance of pace.

I'm early in the process and don't know if these are in the CTCL book or just CTCL-like schools.

If the former: One thing you might do is look on Niche.com for schools listed as being similar to these schools but that aren't CTCL schools. Maybe some of the ones not in the book are just as nice and hungrier for students than the CTCL schools are.

[Anonymous]

We took Earlham and Beloit off our list due to the schools’ financial issues:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/08/01/earlham-college-seeks-roll-back-expense-budget-decade-after-presidents-resignation

https://www.beloitdailynews.com/news/20180824/beloit_college_grappling_with_financial_issues

[Anonymous]

I would check out Denison and Wooster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check the financial condition of these schools. Many are struggling.

Endowments per student (rounded):

Earlham 367,000
Lawrence 206,000
Kalamazoo 150,000
Ohio Wesleyan 135,000
Beloit 112,000
Knox 106,000
Butler 45,000

With the exception of Butler, these all have decent endowments, & Earlham and Lawrence's are quite good. They offer good tuition discounts, but yes, barely anyone pays full sticker price. If your UMC, that works in your favor. We visited Lawrence & Kalamazoo, and my kid liked both a lot. I would be happy if he went to either.

You do know those endowments are not very much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check the financial condition of these schools. Many are struggling.

Endowments per student (rounded):

Earlham 367,000
Lawrence 206,000
Kalamazoo 150,000
Ohio Wesleyan 135,000
Beloit 112,000
Knox 106,000
Butler 45,000

With the exception of Butler, these all have decent endowments, & Earlham and Lawrence's are quite good. They offer good tuition discounts, but yes, barely anyone pays full sticker price. If your UMC, that works in your favor. We visited Lawrence & Kalamazoo, and my kid liked both a lot. I would be happy if he went to either.

You do know those endowments are not very much.

Not every school can have Harvard or Williams sized endowments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ohio Wesleyan
Earlham
Beloit
Lawrence
Knox
Kalamazoo

Might throw in Butler also for a chance of pace.

We visited all these, Kalamazoo, Lawrence and Beloit were particular favorites.

[Anonymous]

What is the meaning of the size of the endowment for students? I am new to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the meaning of the size of the endowment for students? I am new to this.

It's how much endowment money there is per student. For instance, Georgetown has an endowment over a billion but around 100,000 per student, whereas Williams also has an endowment over a billion and has a 1,000,000 in endowment per student. Assuming a school spends 5% of their endowment a year Williams is spending 50,000 per student vs. 5,000 a student for Georgetown. It really shows what schools have resources besides tuition money. Here's a helpful link, though it only shows private schools:

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Denison is most certainly a liberal arts college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

It ranked number #43 in SLAC’s.