Shooting in Reston

[Anonymous]

I just read the article. Ugh. She should not have given this interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article said mom was estranged from dad. Dad left gun out if I recall right. As I posted in the thread I started before I knew this one was continued, I applaud her speaking out so we can learn from this and hopefully it will wake up others in her situation in denial. However, based on her FB I think he just took her concerning beliefs and ran so far right it is even more disturbing.

Wonder if it's true she wanted to commit him. No clinician can verify that without consent. Not surprised she couldn't because our mental health system is a mess. Why won't she share the conviction in 2016. All she says is he was banned from the internet.

If she wanted him seriously committed on the spot you go to the ER and have him placed on a hold. My good friends have had to do this twice in Fairfax with their teenager who sounds very similar to the boy in question, as recent as this month. Blaming it on a holiday weekend or after business hours is a bunch of should have, would have, could have.

Please know that this IS an option, in a real, true, emergency. It may not be a parents first choice, it may have to be by force, but if you think your child is a threat to themselves or someone else, you can always take them to the ER. You can call 911 to help you. This may be a last resort but it is a resort. This particular case has really opened the eyes for my good friends whose teenager has serious mental and behavioral issues.

Taking your kid to the ER is no gurantee of admission or even hold in the ER. If there is no bed and/or the child is not deeme an immediate threat to himself or others, you get sent home. BTDT and was sent home more than once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Privilege at work, again. The mom is hoping to rewrite the narrative about her nazi, racist son.

Yep. and the Post just let her do it. Where was the questioning - the story makes no sense. The mom and dad were estranged, but the gun of the dad was home? Why was it unsecured? Was it always unsecured? Was the dad approached to be interviewed? Did he refuse, or give any sort of comment?

This is just the mom spewing her bullshit with no critical analysis or hell even ground trotting from the post. it actually makes me angrier. He had holes punched all over his bedroom and his mother didn't know that? What the ever lasting hell? WHY WAS THERE AN UNSECURED GUN IN THAT HOUSE?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Privilege at work, again. The mom is hoping to rewrite the narrative about her nazi, racist son.

Yep. and the Post just let her do it. Where was the questioning - the story makes no sense. The mom and dad were estranged, but the gun of the dad was home? Why was it unsecured? Was it always unsecured? Was the dad approached to be interviewed? Did he refuse, or give any sort of comment?

This is just the mom spewing her bullshit with no critical analysis or hell even ground trotting from the post. it actually makes me angrier. He had holes punched all over his bedroom and his mother didn't know that? What the ever lasting hell? WHY WAS THERE AN UNSECURED GUN IN THAT HOUSE?!

+1. The only people who sounded the appropriate alarms are now dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article said mom was estranged from dad. Dad left gun out if I recall right. As I posted in the thread I started before I knew this one was continued, I applaud her speaking out so we can learn from this and hopefully it will wake up others in her situation in denial. However, based on her FB I think he just took her concerning beliefs and ran so far right it is even more disturbing.

Wonder if it's true she wanted to commit him. No clinician can verify that without consent. Not surprised she couldn't because our mental health system is a mess. Why won't she share the conviction in 2016. All she says is he was banned from the internet.

If she wanted him seriously committed on the spot you go to the ER and have him placed on a hold. My good friends have had to do this twice in Fairfax with their teenager who sounds very similar to the boy in question, as recent as this month. Blaming it on a holiday weekend or after business hours is a bunch of should have, would have, could have.

Please know that this IS an option, in a real, true, emergency. It may not be a parents first choice, it may have to be by force, but if you think your child is a threat to themselves or someone else, you can always take them to the ER. You can call 911 to help you. This may be a last resort but it is a resort. This particular case has really opened the eyes for my good friends whose teenager has serious mental and behavioral issues.

I never said it was, but it is an option. You can try. Did this woman? With all these signs? No, she said oh well, it’s a holiday week, let’s hang some Christmas lights. Excuses excuses for her.

Taking your kid to the ER is no gurantee of admission or even hold in the ER. If there is no bed and/or the child is not deeme an immediate threat to himself or others, you get sent home. BTDT and was sent home more than once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Privilege at work, again. The mom is hoping to rewrite the narrative about her nazi, racist son.

Yep. and the Post just let her do it. Where was the questioning - the story makes no sense. The mom and dad were estranged, but the gun of the dad was home? Why was it unsecured? Was it always unsecured? Was the dad approached to be interviewed? Did he refuse, or give any sort of comment?

This is just the mom spewing her bullshit with no critical analysis or hell even ground trotting from the post. it actually makes me angrier. He had holes punched all over his bedroom and his mother didn't know that? What the ever lasting hell? WHY WAS THERE AN UNSECURED GUN IN THAT HOUSE?!

The story may be B.S. But how is it "privilege at work?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Privilege at work, again. The mom is hoping to rewrite the narrative about her nazi, racist son.

Yep. and the Post just let her do it. Where was the questioning - the story makes no sense. The mom and dad were estranged, but the gun of the dad was home? Why was it unsecured? Was it always unsecured? Was the dad approached to be interviewed? Did he refuse, or give any sort of comment?

This is just the mom spewing her bullshit with no critical analysis or hell even ground trotting from the post. it actually makes me angrier. He had holes punched all over his bedroom and his mother didn't know that? What the ever lasting hell? WHY WAS THERE AN UNSECURED GUN IN THAT HOUSE?!

The story may be B.S. But how is it "privilege at work?"

Having the option to opt out of any parental responsibility, rewrite the narrative, when things go wrong. That doesnt happen in those unpriviledged cases.

[Anonymous]

I am glad she did the interview because maybe one parent in total denial out there may wake up and smell the potential murder and PREVENT it.

While she admits some fault I doubt she understands just how clueless and in deep deep denial she sounded. I'm sorry, but there was more to the story of having to leave a school at 8 because your kid talked about bombs on a playdate.

You'd be surprised how many parents operate in denial. When I was a teacher, there was always that parent who minimized EVERYTHING. Johnny attempted to choke Larlo on the playground to the point Larlo turned red, teachers had to run and remove the boy and then he kicked a teacher, but "boys will be boys." "Larlo threatened to kill another child and reports his dad has a gun" and the parents roll their eyes and say "It's locked up. Stop blowing this out of proportion.

Wealthy area? Watch out. They WILL threaten to sue. Forget about all the kids who have been injured. Forget about all the kids threatened. Forget about the teachers injured. Snowflake will have the best lawyer in town and consequences will ONLY be mumsy or popsy having a chit chat with snowflake. Snowflake is too fragile to deal with anything else. They tell you they already tried therapy, but it didn't work so they stopped...3 years ago! (How about trying another therapist or using all that money to find an expert in the field). The child is already on meds, but even with aggression and all the other issues, it does not occur to the parents to consult the psychiatrist?! OK...rant over..

[Anonymous]

I had some sympathy for her until I read that there was a unsecured gun at home. Never acceptable. And absolutely inexcusable when mental instability is involved. This tragedy could have been prevented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had some sympathy for her until I read that there was a unsecured gun at home. Never acceptable. And absolutely inexcusable when mental instability is involved. This tragedy could have been prevented.

I believe she said she is estranged from her husband and the gun was in his home. It's her way of saying "blame the husband." I doubt they were communicating much. Sorry if you have a mentally ill child you suck it up and communicate. She didn't take it a step further and say she told her estranged husband to lock the guns up, etc. She left out the part of how she took the boy to gun ranges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Privilege at work, again. The mom is hoping to rewrite the narrative about her nazi, racist son.

Yep. and the Post just let her do it. Where was the questioning - the story makes no sense. The mom and dad were estranged, but the gun of the dad was home? Why was it unsecured? Was it always unsecured? Was the dad approached to be interviewed? Did he refuse, or give any sort of comment?

This is just the mom spewing her bullshit with no critical analysis or hell even ground trotting from the post. it actually makes me angrier. He had holes punched all over his bedroom and his mother didn't know that? What the ever lasting hell? WHY WAS THERE AN UNSECURED GUN IN THAT HOUSE?!

+1. The only people who sounded the appropriate alarms are now dead.

All I could think as I read through this atrocious attempt to spin this story was that their must be a hearing coming up and someone advised the mom to speak and try to make him look more sympathetic. It’s a disgrace he hasn’t been charged as an adult and the parents as accessories. If he wasn’t a privileged white kid his name would have been released Day 1. Disgusting and such a waste it’s sickening.

[Anonymous]

It reads like mom is trying hard to save face. She seems more worried about shaping the story so she makes it thru with her reputation intact, than worried about what's happening to her family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article said mom was estranged from dad. Dad left gun out if I recall right. As I posted in the thread I started before I knew this one was continued, I applaud her speaking out so we can learn from this and hopefully it will wake up others in her situation in denial. However, based on her FB I think he just took her concerning beliefs and ran so far right it is even more disturbing.

Wonder if it's true she wanted to commit him. No clinician can verify that without consent. Not surprised she couldn't because our mental health system is a mess. Why won't she share the conviction in 2016. All she says is he was banned from the internet.

If she wanted him seriously committed on the spot you go to the ER and have him placed on a hold. My good friends have had to do this twice in Fairfax with their teenager who sounds very similar to the boy in question, as recent as this month. Blaming it on a holiday weekend or after business hours is a bunch of should have, would have, could have.

Please know that this IS an option, in a real, true, emergency. It may not be a parents first choice, it may have to be by force, but if you think your child is a threat to themselves or someone else, you can always take them to the ER. You can call 911 to help you. This may be a last resort but it is a resort. This particular case has really opened the eyes for my good friends whose teenager has serious mental and behavioral issues.

I never said it was, but it is an option. You can try. Did this woman? With all these signs? No, she said oh well, it’s a holiday week, let’s hang some Christmas lights. Excuses excuses for her.

Taking your kid to the ER is no gurantee of admission or even hold in the ER. If there is no bed and/or the child is not deeme an immediate threat to himself or others, you get sent home. BTDT and was sent home more than once.

You are cruel. It does sound like she tried. You mistake outcome for effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It reads like mom is trying hard to save face. She seems more worried about shaping the story so she makes it thru with her reputation intact, than worried about what's happening to her family.

Bingo. I've followed this case from the beginning and it is fairly straightforward. I'll leave the victim's family out of it for the time being. Parents had a crazy kid. Not just regular crazy, like crazy enough to be going to the Dominion School crazy. Parents thought it was ok to espouse hate in their own household (proven about the mom via social media; not sure about the dad, but assume complicity and similar views or he would have put a stop to it or left her) around said crazy kid (explains where the roots for his neo-Nazism developed). Parents thought it was also ok to teach said crazy kid how to use firearms and take him to shooting ranges (again proven via social media). Parents did not secure said firearms from said crazy kid and he got one (along with a hammer, knife, etc.) and showed up at his quasi ex-girlfriend's house and kills her parents (additional weapons shows planning and proves malice aforethought and premeditation).

I don't see how the parents aren't accessories to this, but knowing Virginia law and their SES they will somehow get out of it. I hope if nothing comes from those charges that the surviving Fricker/Kuhn clan brings a wrongful death suit and at least makes them poor. I'm also a bit surprised they haven't been driven out of the community yet given their obvious culpability in this case. If they were in my neighborhood I'd be circling the wagons and organizing something to make sure they got the message that they were no longer wanted and need to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It reads like mom is trying hard to save face. She seems more worried about shaping the story so she makes it thru with her reputation intact, than worried about what's happening to her family.

Bingo. I've followed this case from the beginning and it is fairly straightforward. I'll leave the victim's family out of it for the time being. Parents had a crazy kid. Not just regular crazy, like crazy enough to be going to the Dominion School crazy. Parents thought it was ok to espouse hate in their own household (proven about the mom via social media; not sure about the dad, but assume complicity and similar views or he would have put a stop to it or left her) around said crazy kid (explains where the roots for his neo-Nazism developed). Parents thought it was also ok to teach said crazy kid how to use firearms and take him to shooting ranges (again proven via social media). Parents did not secure said firearms from said crazy kid and he got one (along with a hammer, knife, etc.) and showed up at his quasi ex-girlfriend's house and kills her parents (additional weapons shows planning and proves malice aforethought and premeditation).

I don't see how the parents aren't accessories to this, but knowing Virginia law and their SES they will somehow get out of it. I hope if nothing comes from those charges that the surviving Fricker/Kuhn clan brings a wrongful death suit and at least makes them poor. I'm also a bit surprised they haven't been driven out of the community yet given their obvious culpability in this case. If they were in my neighborhood I'd be circling the wagons and organizing something to make sure they got the message that they were no longer wanted and need to leave.

Mom's roots are VERY deep in Mason Neck. She's not leaving that area and I would guess half of the people in the community she lives in are actually on her side or somewhat supportive. The article even says that the neighbor changed their story about telling them about the swastikas, so the circling in the community may actually be rallying around her. It's a strange area.