Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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I’m going to start my own website. Get Crossfield out of Oakton and into their community schools!

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Anonymous wrote:Are you from SLHS, Westfield, or are you from Chantilly. Which one of the school is better than Oakton?

One thing for sure is that your kids is going to KAA and you are upset to hear that KAA can not be better than Oakton.

I think you are expecting a KAA to be the only top tier school in west part of fcps. The only way KAA can be the top tier is to become a magnet school.

I was asked why people have a problem with the Oakton families pitch, and the issue is you sound like elitists who think that the other kids being moved to the new school are going to be beneath you.

You do realize that there are people with kids at SLHS who wouldn't want to be moved to Oakton, right? Different people value different things. SLHS has a strong community and lots of kids have had a great experience there. The families are not worried about the rating and there are plenty of kids going to strong colleges. There are even people who love IB. The SLHS families I know worried about being moved are concerned about the lack of programs in the first bunch of years but mainly feel like they are a part of a strong community. They know that will build over time but the genuinely love their school.

The difference is when they talk about their school, they don't sound like elitists who are hoping and praying that their kids are not moved from the school to a school that is beneath them. Oakton families that don't want to move sound like they are going to be punished by having to go to a HS with kids from Oak Hill, Floris, and Coates. Great Falls families have the same problem. They sound like snobs. The argument that your kids should be at a school that is a 30-40 minute bus drive when there is a school 10 minutes away is kind of ridiculous. And your logic for why you should stay there is that the other schools aren't as good and you don't want to go there.

If you can't understand why that sounds bad, then I don't know what to tell you.

People want what they feel is best for their kids and that may require a longer bus ride.

Building resilience is awesome 👌

Way to grossly misuse the term resilience. Maybe talk to some people who grew up taking a long bus ride to Oakton. Many do not speak of the experience fondly. What parents want and what kids value are not always the same. I bet you don't even ask your kids what they would prefer. Grown adults of parents like this have some interesting things to say about their parents.

DP, my kids prefer to eat candy for dinner, so I’m not quite sure I see your point.

I am sad for your kids that you would equate these two things.

Someone failed the marshmallow test, perhaps?

Oh the irony that you are mentioning that test. I might know a thing or two about it. Vastly more than you. A long bus ride every day that cuts into a child's sleep, family, and homework time is in no way some sort of exercise in delayed gratification predicting later executive functioning skills.

Your kids dont do their homework on the bus? How inefficent! How do they ever have time for after school activities if they don't use their time efficently?

I informally polled my peers and the long bus ride to Oakton is 25 min on the east side of west ox in our neighborhood.

Guess what the Carson ride was...

30 min. Kaa is right next door so there goes your argument. Have a marshmallow !

I am sure the school board is looking at the entire Crossfield area, not just the one bus route from your neighborhood. Funny how no one has publicly said their transportation time to Oakton is shorter than Carson. Maybe because that’s not true for the vast majority?

No one seems to acknowledge the east side...

It's like a 90s east coast west coast rap feud.

Biggie Smalls R.I.P.

Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

And I bet you’re even closer to South Lakes!

FOX Mill family

He/they tried to start again!

You will love it at South Lakes. I’m writing the school board right now to propose this.

What comes round goes around! You will get what you deserve!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going to start my own website. Get Crossfield out of Oakton and into their community schools!

Serious question, what are we considering “community”? Is it 3-5 miles? This is important to explore if rezoning is up for review every 5 years. Saying a 40 minute commute is not a community school isn’t a helpful answer.

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Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

Actually, South Lake is the closest to you. Since Crossfield is already a split feeder with South Lakes, they could just send you to South Lakes and the other side of West Ox to KAA. Done.

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Hear this? He want to send crossfield to SLHS? What is in him? So he can get spend out tax payer money for what he dreamed of?

Ummm…How do you know it’s a Fox Mill peron and not a woman?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you from SLHS, Westfield, or are you from Chantilly. Which one of the school is better than Oakton?

One thing for sure is that your kids is going to KAA and you are upset to hear that KAA can not be better than Oakton.

I think you are expecting a KAA to be the only top tier school in west part of fcps. The only way KAA can be the top tier is to become a magnet school.

I was asked why people have a problem with the Oakton families pitch, and the issue is you sound like elitists who think that the other kids being moved to the new school are going to be beneath you.

You do realize that there are people with kids at SLHS who wouldn't want to be moved to Oakton, right? Different people value different things. SLHS has a strong community and lots of kids have had a great experience there. The families are not worried about the rating and there are plenty of kids going to strong colleges. There are even people who love IB. The SLHS families I know worried about being moved are concerned about the lack of programs in the first bunch of years but mainly feel like they are a part of a strong community. They know that will build over time but the genuinely love their school.

The difference is when they talk about their school, they don't sound like elitists who are hoping and praying that their kids are not moved from the school to a school that is beneath them. Oakton families that don't want to move sound like they are going to be punished by having to go to a HS with kids from Oak Hill, Floris, and Coates. Great Falls families have the same problem. They sound like snobs. The argument that your kids should be at a school that is a 30-40 minute bus drive when there is a school 10 minutes away is kind of ridiculous. And your logic for why you should stay there is that the other schools aren't as good and you don't want to go there.

If you can't understand why that sounds bad, then I don't know what to tell you.

People want what they feel is best for their kids and that may require a longer bus ride.

Building resilience is awesome 👌

Way to grossly misuse the term resilience. Maybe talk to some people who grew up taking a long bus ride to Oakton. Many do not speak of the experience fondly. What parents want and what kids value are not always the same. I bet you don't even ask your kids what they would prefer. Grown adults of parents like this have some interesting things to say about their parents.

DP, my kids prefer to eat candy for dinner, so I’m not quite sure I see your point.

I am sad for your kids that you would equate these two things.

Someone failed the marshmallow test, perhaps?

Oh the irony that you are mentioning that test. I might know a thing or two about it. Vastly more than you. A long bus ride every day that cuts into a child's sleep, family, and homework time is in no way some sort of exercise in delayed gratification predicting later executive functioning skills.

Your kids dont do their homework on the bus? How inefficent! How do they ever have time for after school activities if they don't use their time efficently?

I informally polled my peers and the long bus ride to Oakton is 25 min on the east side of west ox in our neighborhood.

Guess what the Carson ride was...

30 min. Kaa is right next door so there goes your argument. Have a marshmallow !

I am sure the school board is looking at the entire Crossfield area, not just the one bus route from your neighborhood. Funny how no one has publicly said their transportation time to Oakton is shorter than Carson. Maybe because that’s not true for the vast majority?

No one seems to acknowledge the east side...

It's like a 90s east coast west coast rap feud.

Biggie Smalls R.I.P.

Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

And I bet you’re even closer to South Lakes!

FOX Mill family

He/they tried to start again!

You have some weird obssession about Fox Mill.

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Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

Actually, South Lake is the closest to you. Since Crossfield is already a split feeder with South Lakes, they could just send you to South Lakes and the other side of West Ox to KAA. Done.

Fox Mill:

Hear this? He want to send crossfield to SLHS? What is in him? So he can get spend out tax payer money for what he dreamed of?

Ummm…How do you know it’s a Fox Mill peron and not a woman?

You are right! Could be an old lady.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you from SLHS, Westfield, or are you from Chantilly. Which one of the school is better than Oakton?

One thing for sure is that your kids is going to KAA and you are upset to hear that KAA can not be better than Oakton.

I think you are expecting a KAA to be the only top tier school in west part of fcps. The only way KAA can be the top tier is to become a magnet school.

I was asked why people have a problem with the Oakton families pitch, and the issue is you sound like elitists who think that the other kids being moved to the new school are going to be beneath you.

You do realize that there are people with kids at SLHS who wouldn't want to be moved to Oakton, right? Different people value different things. SLHS has a strong community and lots of kids have had a great experience there. The families are not worried about the rating and there are plenty of kids going to strong colleges. There are even people who love IB. The SLHS families I know worried about being moved are concerned about the lack of programs in the first bunch of years but mainly feel like they are a part of a strong community. They know that will build over time but the genuinely love their school.

The difference is when they talk about their school, they don't sound like elitists who are hoping and praying that their kids are not moved from the school to a school that is beneath them. Oakton families that don't want to move sound like they are going to be punished by having to go to a HS with kids from Oak Hill, Floris, and Coates. Great Falls families have the same problem. They sound like snobs. The argument that your kids should be at a school that is a 30-40 minute bus drive when there is a school 10 minutes away is kind of ridiculous. And your logic for why you should stay there is that the other schools aren't as good and you don't want to go there.

If you can't understand why that sounds bad, then I don't know what to tell you.

Great Falls families sound like snobs because they don’t want their kids to go to Herndon High which had a student recently murdered in a drive-by after receiving death threats at Herndon High from fellow students?

Call me crazy, but that doesn’t sound snobby to me. Sounds like great falls families want their kids to be safe from violence.

There's something exploitative about wealthy Great Falls families who are almost exclusively White and Asian invoking the recent killing of a Hispanic student from Herndon, which did not occur at Herndon, as a basis to avoid HHS.

They had other arguments before this tragedy. They'll have other arguments in the future when this incident has receded from public attention. They know these incidents at Herndon and other schools involve low-income Hispanic kids and these incidents, while horrifying, don't pose a safety threat to their own children, but they don't care.

An Oakton graduate killed two Oakton students due to his reckless driving, but we don't hear parents citing that as a reason why their kids shouldn't attend Oakton. A Langley graduate shot and killed his best friend, also a Langley graduate, a few years ago, and another Langley graduate who apparently was high on drugs was shot and killed by Park Police a few years ago, but we don't hear parents citing that as a reason why their kids shouldn't attend Langley. But if those same incidents had involved Herndon students, the Great Falls folks would be citing them obsessively on a daily basis as justification for why they should never be reassigned to Herndon.

In any event, their clock is ticking given the upcoming boundary changes that will move kids into Cooper and Langley.

That ticking clock is up against the ticking clock of significant residential developments that have broken ground in and around the town of Herndon. It actually seems like one of the reasons they might not have been too keen to move anyone into Herndon high this round.

The problem is that, for every new development in or around the Town of Herndon, there are twice as many in the Marshall and McLean districts and FCPS has no plans to expand either of those schools. Plus some of the new development planned in the McLean-zoned area will get moved to Langley next January.

So there may be several ticking clocks, but the alarm won't go off first in the Town of Herndon.

What new development is going to be added in January? I’ve only heard of the Spring Hill split feeder being moved.

The Spring Hill area that's going to move to Langley unless Great Falls pulls a last-minute Houdini is a part of Tysons bounded by the Dulles Toll Road to the north, Route 495 to the east, Route 7 to the west, and Westpark and Galleria Drives to the south.

FCPS has a "Residential Developments Applications Dashboard" that tracks developments for which approvals are required in various stages of development (approved, pending, and under construction) and the potential student yields associated with those developments. Only some of these yields are reflected in the enrollment projections in the annual Capital Improvement Programs, because FCPS more conservatively only factors in students from new developments after a developer has broken ground.

If you search that tool by pyramid, the two pyramids with the greatest potential yields of high school students are Marshall (804) and McLean (629). If you then look at the developments (again, approved, pending, and under construction) in the McLean pyramid, the bulk of those 629 students reside in the Spring Hill area teed up to move from McLean to Langley.

To be fair, you or another poster made reference to potential growth in the Town of Herndon, and the "Residential Developments Applications Dashboard" does not track potential developments in the Towns of Herndon and Vienna or the City of Fairfax, because those jurisdictions have their own approval processes. So there's no data on that dashboard for the Herndon pyramid, but it's unlikely the potential yield is any higher than the yield for South Lakes (587 students), which includes the bulk of Reston.

So, yes, development in the Town of Herndon could add kids to the Herndon pyramid, but not as many kids as potentially could be added to the Marshall and McLean pyramids, and FCPS has no plans to expand either of those high schools. Great Falls has had a great deal of success over the years avoiding redistricting out of Langley, and there are still some things Langley can do to reduce its future enrollment (shut down the current pupil placement pipeline) or accommodate future growth (pushing for a modular addition). But unless Herndon's enrollment increases quite a bit, or student enrollments in FCPS start declining significantly, FCPS is setting things up to move part of Langley to Herndon during the next five-year review now scheduled for 2030.

Had FCPS not purchased KAA, then the additional capacity at Herndon could have been used as part of a larger redistricting involving Westfield, Chantilly, and perhaps Centreville and South Lakes, but now the most obvious source of kids to fill vacant seats at Herndon will be the western-most part of the Langley area. While motivations may vary, the opposition from some Great Falls residents to the KAA purchase and the school's future use as a traditional high school reflects this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious.

I get why some Crossfield parents want to stay at Oakton despite the long commute.

I also get why some other Crossfield parents who want to move are upset at them as they'd rather move to KAA and cut the long commute.

What I don’t understand is why some non Crossfield parents are upset at the Crossfield parents who fight to stay.

Is it because of some “equity” issue? Or is it because their kids are going to KAA and they want to make sure wealthy Crossfield kids join them?

Somebody mentioned tax dollars used for longer bus rides, but that just seems like a really weak reason.

I doubt that the school board will create a split feeder so the people who are loudly fighting to stay at Oakton are effectively impacting the outcome of the families who want to move. I think that the bigger issue is that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for the majority and it is not clear that they do.

As a non-Crossfield family, I don't care. The argument that Oakton is so amazing, and the new school is not going to be good enough is off putting. There is a difference in saying "We don't like the lack of activities at a brand-new school and want to opt out while that is happening" and saying "The new school will never be good enough because Oakton is so awesome", which labels the new school as inferior before it even opens. To be frank, most of the arguments have been kind of elitist.

Makes sense.

To be honest, I’d rather let these elitist people stay at Oakton so that I don’t have to see them at the new school.

I couldn't agree more.

This is so unfair, I'm telling you that the pro-Oakton group are a small but vocal minority. Yes, some of them are wealthy, some of them have really insufferable children, some of them are Navy AAP, but they are the minority.

Please move them out of Navy and Oakton. We don't want them.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

I'm so confused about what is just sooooo amazing about Oakton. Please share.

#6 in Virginia High Schools (660+ public and 300 private)
#9 in Washington, DC Metro Area High Schools (64 metropolitan DC HS)
#4 in Fairfax County Public Schools High Schools (FCPS has 30 HS)

So, you basically have one of the top high schools in the area. It's number 3 in FCPS if you don't count the crown jewel of the DC area, Thomas Jefferson which is a govenor's school. If given the option, why wouldn't you want to attend a top high school? Generally top high schools have a combination of a high performing student body coupled with outstanding teachers. This combination pushes the students to achieve higher and provides additonal opportunites for excellence.

To downplay it means you're either unaware of its excellence, or your kids are mediorcre.

I'm enjoying reading this parent who believes their child is attending the "Ivies" of FCPS and cannot be smugger about it! Oakton has few poor people to drag down score averages but having known plenty of Oakton kids (their boundary line is next to us and we have a split middle school feeder) I can say they are generally great kids, same as our kids and they have similar outcomes. The schools that have more mixed demographics have more variations aggregate test scores but kids from similarly advantaged background do no better at Oakton than anywhere. You can see it in the schools IG decision threads- they all send kids to Top 10. Relax.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

I'm so confused about what is just sooooo amazing about Oakton. Please share.

#6 in Virginia High Schools (660+ public and 300 private)
#9 in Washington, DC Metro Area High Schools (64 metropolitan DC HS)
#4 in Fairfax County Public Schools High Schools (FCPS has 30 HS)

So, you basically have one of the top high schools in the area. It's number 3 in FCPS if you don't count the crown jewel of the DC area, Thomas Jefferson which is a govenor's school. If given the option, why wouldn't you want to attend a top high school? Generally top high schools have a combination of a high performing student body coupled with outstanding teachers. This combination pushes the students to achieve higher and provides additonal opportunites for excellence.

To downplay it means you're either unaware of its excellence, or your kids are mediorcre.

I'm enjoying reading this parent who believes their child is attending the "Ivies" of FCPS and cannot be smugger about it! Oakton has few poor people to drag down score averages but having known plenty of Oakton kids (their boundary line is next to us and we have a split middle school feeder) I can say they are generally great kids, same as our kids and they have similar outcomes. The schools that have more mixed demographics have more variations aggregate test scores but kids from similarly advantaged background do no better at Oakton than anywhere. You can see it in the schools IG decision threads- they all send kids to Top 10. Relax.

The prior poster did seem to not know what was so great about Oakton...

No idea what their motives were

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Anonymous wrote:Are you from SLHS, Westfield, or are you from Chantilly. Which one of the school is better than Oakton?

One thing for sure is that your kids is going to KAA and you are upset to hear that KAA can not be better than Oakton.

I think you are expecting a KAA to be the only top tier school in west part of fcps. The only way KAA can be the top tier is to become a magnet school.

I was asked why people have a problem with the Oakton families pitch, and the issue is you sound like elitists who think that the other kids being moved to the new school are going to be beneath you.

You do realize that there are people with kids at SLHS who wouldn't want to be moved to Oakton, right? Different people value different things. SLHS has a strong community and lots of kids have had a great experience there. The families are not worried about the rating and there are plenty of kids going to strong colleges. There are even people who love IB. The SLHS families I know worried about being moved are concerned about the lack of programs in the first bunch of years but mainly feel like they are a part of a strong community. They know that will build over time but the genuinely love their school.

The difference is when they talk about their school, they don't sound like elitists who are hoping and praying that their kids are not moved from the school to a school that is beneath them. Oakton families that don't want to move sound like they are going to be punished by having to go to a HS with kids from Oak Hill, Floris, and Coates. Great Falls families have the same problem. They sound like snobs. The argument that your kids should be at a school that is a 30-40 minute bus drive when there is a school 10 minutes away is kind of ridiculous. And your logic for why you should stay there is that the other schools aren't as good and you don't want to go there.

If you can't understand why that sounds bad, then I don't know what to tell you.

People want what they feel is best for their kids and that may require a longer bus ride.

Building resilience is awesome 👌

Way to grossly misuse the term resilience. Maybe talk to some people who grew up taking a long bus ride to Oakton. Many do not speak of the experience fondly. What parents want and what kids value are not always the same. I bet you don't even ask your kids what they would prefer. Grown adults of parents like this have some interesting things to say about their parents.

DP, my kids prefer to eat candy for dinner, so I’m not quite sure I see your point.

I am sad for your kids that you would equate these two things.

Someone failed the marshmallow test, perhaps?

Oh the irony that you are mentioning that test. I might know a thing or two about it. Vastly more than you. A long bus ride every day that cuts into a child's sleep, family, and homework time is in no way some sort of exercise in delayed gratification predicting later executive functioning skills.

Your kids dont do their homework on the bus? How inefficent! How do they ever have time for after school activities if they don't use their time efficently?

I informally polled my peers and the long bus ride to Oakton is 25 min on the east side of west ox in our neighborhood.

Guess what the Carson ride was...

30 min. Kaa is right next door so there goes your argument. Have a marshmallow !

Same thing:

We live closer to KAA than Franklin Farm, bus ride is 20ish minute to both Carson and Oakton despite a super short drive to Carson.

Conclusion: we stay at Oakton does not cost tax payer any extra penny. I am wondering why so many people want us Oakton family go to KAA? They do not like us but want us join their community?

Many Crossfield parents realize that if they don't get into the new Western school now then they will be moved into South Lakes in 5 years. That seems to be the piece you are missing. Those with younger kids would rather the transition happen now so their kids won't have to go through it in 2030, and so they won't be stuck with an IB high school in the future.
Everyone comes up with reasons to support the option that is best for their own kids, at whatever age / grade they are in right now. The school board should ignore all that and just plan for the future. Reid is doing too much coddling and not enough firm decision making.

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Had FCPS not purchased KAA, then the additional capacity at Herndon could have been used as part of a larger redistricting involving Westfield, Chantilly, and perhaps Centreville and South Lakes, but now the most obvious source of kids to fill vacant seats at Herndon will be the western-most part of the Langley area. While motivations may vary, the opposition from some Great Falls residents to the KAA purchase and the school's future use as a traditional high school reflects this.

Not enough space at Herndon to do what you suggest. That was a Great Falls pipe dream. And, it would not have resolved the Chantilly/Westfield issue. At most, one elementary school could have gone to Herndon--and it would not have resolved the overcrowding.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you from SLHS, Westfield, or are you from Chantilly. Which one of the school is better than Oakton?

One thing for sure is that your kids is going to KAA and you are upset to hear that KAA can not be better than Oakton.

I think you are expecting a KAA to be the only top tier school in west part of fcps. The only way KAA can be the top tier is to become a magnet school.

I was asked why people have a problem with the Oakton families pitch, and the issue is you sound like elitists who think that the other kids being moved to the new school are going to be beneath you.

You do realize that there are people with kids at SLHS who wouldn't want to be moved to Oakton, right? Different people value different things. SLHS has a strong community and lots of kids have had a great experience there. The families are not worried about the rating and there are plenty of kids going to strong colleges. There are even people who love IB. The SLHS families I know worried about being moved are concerned about the lack of programs in the first bunch of years but mainly feel like they are a part of a strong community. They know that will build over time but the genuinely love their school.

The difference is when they talk about their school, they don't sound like elitists who are hoping and praying that their kids are not moved from the school to a school that is beneath them. Oakton families that don't want to move sound like they are going to be punished by having to go to a HS with kids from Oak Hill, Floris, and Coates. Great Falls families have the same problem. They sound like snobs. The argument that your kids should be at a school that is a 30-40 minute bus drive when there is a school 10 minutes away is kind of ridiculous. And your logic for why you should stay there is that the other schools aren't as good and you don't want to go there.

If you can't understand why that sounds bad, then I don't know what to tell you.

People want what they feel is best for their kids and that may require a longer bus ride.

Building resilience is awesome 👌

Way to grossly misuse the term resilience. Maybe talk to some people who grew up taking a long bus ride to Oakton. Many do not speak of the experience fondly. What parents want and what kids value are not always the same. I bet you don't even ask your kids what they would prefer. Grown adults of parents like this have some interesting things to say about their parents.

DP, my kids prefer to eat candy for dinner, so I’m not quite sure I see your point.

I am sad for your kids that you would equate these two things.

Someone failed the marshmallow test, perhaps?

Oh the irony that you are mentioning that test. I might know a thing or two about it. Vastly more than you. A long bus ride every day that cuts into a child's sleep, family, and homework time is in no way some sort of exercise in delayed gratification predicting later executive functioning skills.

Your kids dont do their homework on the bus? How inefficent! How do they ever have time for after school activities if they don't use their time efficently?

I informally polled my peers and the long bus ride to Oakton is 25 min on the east side of west ox in our neighborhood.

Guess what the Carson ride was...

30 min. Kaa is right next door so there goes your argument. Have a marshmallow !

I am sure the school board is looking at the entire Crossfield area, not just the one bus route from your neighborhood. Funny how no one has publicly said their transportation time to Oakton is shorter than Carson. Maybe because that’s not true for the vast majority?

No one seems to acknowledge the east side...

It's like a 90s east coast west coast rap feud.

Biggie Smalls R.I.P.

Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

And I bet you’re even closer to South Lakes!

Are you the people from some community that want to send us to SLHS because you want to escape from there?

The new governor of New Jersey graduated from South Lakes High School. Is that not good enough for you, Navy AAP mom?

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I get why some Crossfield parents want to stay at Oakton despite the long commute.

I also get why some other Crossfield parents who want to move are upset at them as they'd rather move to KAA and cut the long commute.

What I don’t understand is why some non Crossfield parents are upset at the Crossfield parents who fight to stay.

Is it because of some “equity” issue? Or is it because their kids are going to KAA and they want to make sure wealthy Crossfield kids join them?

Somebody mentioned tax dollars used for longer bus rides, but that just seems like a really weak reason.

I doubt that the school board will create a split feeder so the people who are loudly fighting to stay at Oakton are effectively impacting the outcome of the families who want to move. I think that the bigger issue is that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for the majority and it is not clear that they do.

As a non-Crossfield family, I don't care. The argument that Oakton is so amazing, and the new school is not going to be good enough is off putting. There is a difference in saying "We don't like the lack of activities at a brand-new school and want to opt out while that is happening" and saying "The new school will never be good enough because Oakton is so awesome", which labels the new school as inferior before it even opens. To be frank, most of the arguments have been kind of elitist.

Makes sense.

To be honest, I’d rather let these elitist people stay at Oakton so that I don’t have to see them at the new school.

I couldn't agree more.

This is so unfair, I'm telling you that the pro-Oakton group are a small but vocal minority. Yes, some of them are wealthy, some of them have really insufferable children, some of them are Navy AAP, but they are the minority.

Please move them out of Navy and Oakton. We don't want them.

Girl, Navy has its own problem parents without the 5-6 Crossfield moms that get added to the mix each year!!

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Good point! Bus ride from east side to Oakton is indeed a shorter ride compared to bus ride to KAA.

Actually, South Lake is the closest to you. Since Crossfield is already a split feeder with South Lakes, they could just send you to South Lakes and the other side of West Ox to KAA. Done.

I actually think this is a good idea.

-Westside Crossfield Parent