
As a public elementary school second grade teacher who has never had a classroom less than 24 students with many on IEPs.or 504s, along with ELLs, I can assure you that if this teacher is capable, this year will be fine. SSFS has wonderful teachers and support faculty.
I hope once the school year is under way we can all relax a bit - stay assertive about concerns without catastrophizing. |
They don't have specials? If they advertised a class size of 8, then that would be different, but student:teacher ratios are always below class sizes. |
The website says average class size 16. https://www.ssfs.org/about/fast-facts Generally at private schools, one would expect the average class size to be about double the student:teacher ratio, with assistant teachers in preschool, art, music, PE, learning support, etc . . . making up the other half of the teacher portion of the ratio. I see those other positions on faculty page. |
The website literally does not say this. Even if you Google ssfs it says FACULTY to student ratio. That's not the same and average number of kids in a class. I will also say as a teacher of many years, classes can be too small also. 16 is a great number, especially at third grade and up. There are concerns at the school for sure, but this is simply not one of mine. |
A class with 16 3rd graders is not too big. I would say 12-15 would be a good size. I could see them having 2 classes if there are 20 students, but having 2 classes (so 2 teachers with full salary and benefits) for 16 students does not make sense financially. |
Yes it does, see here: https://www.ssfs.org/admission/tuition-value |
Scroll down to where the headline says "Why is our tuition what it is?" and see the first infographic, it's plain as day. Not sure how you can miss this. Literally says "8:1 student-teacher ratio" https://www.ssfs.org/admission/tuition-value |
That is immediately next to where it says average class size. So, even if you didn't realize the school had art and music and Spanish teachers, you'd realize that they weren't talking about classes of 8. Did you want a school without art and music and Spanish and PE? I am really confused what you are upset about. |
It literally says average class size is 16 here. |
It also literally says "8:1Student-Teacher Ratio" C'mon, how can you miss this... it's on the same page BEFORE the class size infographic. And my argument is not about class size, it's about student-teacher ratio. |
You're completely missing the point. It's about student to teacher ratio. I don't care how large the class size is. I care about student to teacher ratio. They are advertising 8:1 but it's 16:1. They need to fix their marketing materials. Simple. Phew. |
But you are upset that your kid is in a class size of 16? I don't understand the point the PP made about faculty vs. teacher. In this context, they are synonyms. But neither the student:teacher nor student:faculty ratio describes the ratio in the classroom at any given time. At any school in the country learning support, art, music, Spanish, and PE are in that ratio. Like most independent schools, SSFS seems to offer more specials than private schools that pushes ratios down, which is a good thing both because those subjects benefit kids, and because specials mean that teachers get planning time, and the quality of instruction and the degree of individualization goes up. |
The student/teacher ratio does not measure actual class sizes. It's the total number of students at the school divided by the total number of all teaching faculty, including those that teach specials, part-time teachers, etc. |
No it isn't. 16:1 would imply that a 650-student school had about 40 teachers. But I think it's safe to assume that SSFS has about 80 teachers. 650 / 80 = 8.15, or about 8 students for every 1 faculty person. The class size calculation is different because not every teacher has a class every period. If you have 650 students and 600 have class right now, not all 80 teachers are teaching a single class alone at the same time. Some will have a prep period, some will be advising, some may be chaperoning. So you can't derive class size from an overall student/teacher ratio. |