UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

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Anonymous wrote:I'm team sketch, based on the details out there so far. Also mentally filtering all the news articles, which always slant in some way, and don't always capture the full "truth" of any situation, no matter who it being written about. Mackenzie was a top student, an athlete, supposed to be 5'10" (that's tall), class president, driven, fully privileged and had strong conflicts with the mom. Her father is or was an actor. She obviously has some of mom's academically driven characteristics. What about the dad's?

Scenario: Something flared up with the mom & kid goes ballistic. Kid decides she'll show her. She's got it all covered & doesn't need a damn thing from mom, ever again. And basically, that was accomplished. Until she took it too far & got caught.

5’10”, sporty, and in her physical prime but thrown down the stairs by a meek old mom? Riiiight.

Her mom was neither meek nor old. It’s not a feat of strength to push someone down the stairs. You’re just making crap up, doing the same thing you’re accusing her of doing.

A bio I saw says the mom graduated from college in the early 80s? That makes her 55 to 60 years old when the incident occurred? That is old and weak compared to a physical prime 5’10” teen athlete.

The mother was 53 at the time. Her age was included in the article about the incident.

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When those profs say intimate they mean intimate. Heck she’s living with one of them !
I hope this crazy manipulative liar doesn’t get a degree in social work. Scares me for her clients.

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I think Fiercetons mental illness is progressing along the usual path. Starts in childhood. Builds in college. Becomes florid in early 20s. I just hope there is a medicine to help her.

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Anonymous wrote:When those profs say intimate they mean intimate. Heck she’s living with one of them !
I hope this crazy manipulative liar doesn’t get a degree in social work. Scares me for her clients.

Yep, no boundary issues there.

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For those who are late to this party:
The Rhodes is over. That decision is made.
The change in “first generation “ came in 2020 long after she lied about her situation (most likely Penn did this because of other whistles blowers)
Penn rescinded their request that she pay $4000. Which By the way is really nothing compared to REAL college debts
She wasn’t guaranteed admission to Penn due to her stats. Many others with her same stats were rejected. She went to a very small school. Those schools give out As like candy.

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Anonymous wrote:When we talk about lying in this case, it is necessary to keep in mind that Penn has also been repeatedly lying and that Penn is also very carefully choosing their words. They have high powered lawyers representing them, who are master wordsmiths working diligently to protect their client’s interests. It’s not like UPenn and their representatives are truth seekers in this process.

PLEASE cite to where Penn is repeatedly lying

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Anonymous wrote:When those profs say intimate they mean intimate. Heck she’s living with one of them !
I hope this crazy manipulative liar doesn’t get a degree in social work. Scares me for her clients.

Lol. Virtue signaling ivory tower quacks who wanted to brag they took in the foster kid Rhodes scholar. She apparently was hoarding all of her financial aid refunds? And then feigned essential homelessness to the profs? She had to be receiving substantial amounts of cash to cover housing and expenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm team sketch, based on the details out there so far. Also mentally filtering all the news articles, which always slant in some way, and don't always capture the full "truth" of any situation, no matter who it being written about. Mackenzie was a top student, an athlete, supposed to be 5'10" (that's tall), class president, driven, fully privileged and had strong conflicts with the mom. Her father is or was an actor. She obviously has some of mom's academically driven characteristics. What about the dad's?

Scenario: Something flared up with the mom & kid goes ballistic. Kid decides she'll show her. She's got it all covered & doesn't need a damn thing from mom, ever again. And basically, that was accomplished. Until she took it too far & got caught.

5’10”, sporty, and in her physical prime but thrown down the stairs by a meek old mom? Riiiight.

Yes, something flared up. She didn't like that her mom started dating and was falling in love with a great guy (who we know). Mackenzie clashed with mom's new boyfriend because she was the center of her mom's world until then. On a side note, the documents listed the 3 foster homes locations, and let me just say those were not slum area - all 3 are nice suburbs here in St. Louis. She continued living with the foster family in Clayton after she chose to exit the foster system. Clayton is an even wealthier area than where her mom's house is located. Yeah I know some people on this board are going to say just because the foster home is in a wealthy area doesn't mean it can't be rough - true but the odds are much less likely because I have friends here in STL West County who take in foster kids, and lets just say they aren't doing it for the checks, but to give back. My friend has two teens in private schools with a huge house, pool, country club memberships and they foster a kid about two times a year for a couple months - kids from horrible situations or drug addicted single moms. It's actually kind of sad because the kid never wants to go back after experiencing the lap of luxury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those who are late to this party:
The Rhodes is over. That decision is made.
The change in “first generation “ came in 2020 long after she lied about her situation (most likely Penn did this because of other whistles blowers)
Penn rescinded their request that she pay $4000. Which By the way is really nothing compared to REAL college debts
She wasn’t guaranteed admission to Penn due to her stats. Many others with her same stats were rejected. She went to a very small school. Those schools give out As like candy.

I found it odd that nowhere was her ACT or SAT score mentioned? Nor her Penn GPA? That said, it’s not difficult to grade grub in a soft major at Penn with this wild bio she cooked up.

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What is the running total of how much she scored with this scheme?

4 year Penn BA 100%+ cost of attendance?

2 study abroad programs?

1 Penn master’s?

Nearly 1 Rhodes PhD?

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The Average GPAs at Every Ivy League University

Brown University – 3.71

Harvard University – 3.64

Yale University – 3.62

Columbia University – 3.59

Dartmouth College – 3.54

University of Pennsylvania – 3.52

Cornell University – 3.5

Princeton University – 3.49

This is the average GPA at ivy’s. So her straight As at Penn are just par for the course.

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^^ not to mention a soft major at that

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Did anyone else catch this in the Rhodes investigation report? (paraphrasing)

on page 10 of the Rhodes report

...during the 2018-2019 academic year LAST FOSTER PARENT NAME (I don't want to doxx these people unfairly; they were the family that literally took her to Penn, per photo evidence you can find on Twitter if you look) contacted Penn's College Office expressing concern for Mackenzie. The Deans office reached out to Mackenzie, who told them that she was "declining contact" because "LAST FOSTER PARENT NAME was not supportive of her."

By the way, I googled LAST FOSTER PARENT NAME (the name is in the report) and she is a licensed clinical social worker in St. Louis with a master's degree in social work and per her Linkedin has work experience with college student wellbeing....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we talk about lying in this case, it is necessary to keep in mind that Penn has also been repeatedly lying and that Penn is also very carefully choosing their words. They have high powered lawyers representing them, who are master wordsmiths working diligently to protect their client’s interests. It’s not like UPenn and their representatives are truth seekers in this process.

Fair enough.

And whether Mackenzie Fierceton made up a story full of woe-is-me and pathos to get attention and to get a lot of potential educational debt paid off in the most drama llama way possible, in part by appropriating the experience of other lifelong underprivileged kids both by lying and by exaggerating (and by those carefully chosen words) -- that is an entirely separate question.

We can talk about both. Sure. But let's not pretend that one excuses the other, especially not the egregious one.

Again, I suggest reading the link in my previous post. The idea that MF is a manipulative serial liar is a tale being spun by certain people at Penn. the Philadelphia Inquirer article which attracted all of the attention from people in St. Louis included embellishments and misrepresentations created by the reporter herself. MF isn’t the only one motivated to create a piece of creative writing to serve their own interests. Reporters do it all the time to get “a good story”. The reporter did it in this case and leaves the responsibility for her inventiveness in the lap of the subject of this story.

Sure. And Mackenzie Fierceton, being the paragon of stalwart honesty that she is, immediately went to pains to correct those misleading stories, right? And never referenced the article without making clear that someone else had written a fanciful story full of lies -- certainly never listed it anywhere without being at pains to make sure everyone reading knew it was full of lies. Right?

Actually she did and ran into a brick wall.

Your comment suggests that Penn has been very successful in promoting the narrative that they want people to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we talk about lying in this case, it is necessary to keep in mind that Penn has also been repeatedly lying and that Penn is also very carefully choosing their words. They have high powered lawyers representing them, who are master wordsmiths working diligently to protect their client’s interests. It’s not like UPenn and their representatives are truth seekers in this process.

Fair enough.

And whether Mackenzie Fierceton made up a story full of woe-is-me and pathos to get attention and to get a lot of potential educational debt paid off in the most drama llama way possible, in part by appropriating the experience of other lifelong underprivileged kids both by lying and by exaggerating (and by those carefully chosen words) -- that is an entirely separate question.

We can talk about both. Sure. But let's not pretend that one excuses the other, especially not the egregious one.

Again, I suggest reading the link in my previous post. The idea that MF is a manipulative serial liar is a tale being spun by certain people at Penn. the Philadelphia Inquirer article which attracted all of the attention from people in St. Louis included embellishments and misrepresentations created by the reporter herself. MF isn’t the only one motivated to create a piece of creative writing to serve their own interests. Reporters do it all the time to get “a good story”. The reporter did it in this case and leaves the responsibility for her inventiveness in the lap of the subject of this story.

Sure. And Mackenzie Fierceton, being the paragon of stalwart honesty that she is, immediately went to pains to correct those misleading stories, right? And never referenced the article without making clear that someone else had written a fanciful story full of lies -- certainly never listed it anywhere without being at pains to make sure everyone reading knew it was full of lies. Right?

Actually she did and ran into a brick wall.

Your comment suggests that Penn has been very successful in promoting the narrative that they want people to believe.

Sure, you did. A letter to the editor and everything, right?