ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does any of this matter? Almost all kids playing college ball are paying full tuition for the privilege.

It’s hardly a flex to spend 150k on club soccer and full boat for 4 years out of state school. I know the gram post looks sic but the reality is just awful.

For girls? Not so much. There is still a decent amount of $s out there, but many (or event most) are paying some amount to play in college.

For the boys? For sure. I was surprised at the number of programs out there that are strictly about getting kids in seats. If you (your parents) can write a check, you can play college ball regardless of actual level (if you are willing to go to a hole in the wall small town to play at a school that likely won't exist in 10 years). The college coaches will lie straight up to these kids (and families) as well promising scholarship money based on 'performance'. And it ain't just some of the D2s and D3s doing this, there are D1s in the mix as well.

I personally know two players, who had/have a top ranked research U right in their backyards but they were 'recruited' (i.e., one of those expensive agents sent their videos to a coach they know who shares in the profit) to play at a garbage D2 out of state in the middle of nowhere. With a price tag of almost 60K a year. It is insanity. The parents are all in and taking Parent Plus loans to make this happen... That school likely won't even exist in a decade.

College ball for boys is the final golden parachute for the pay to play mafia. No NIL it’s all parent funded wake up people!

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

Or 1-90 while you’re at it?

Play on whatever team you want based on the offers DC gets. What’s pathetic is an adult criticizing anyone for playing on age.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

So you are only mad if an August kid (or Sept in some places) is not in the same grade as club teammates? But if they get held back or start late, it magically makes it a-okay because they are now "ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team"? I'm just trying to figure out your 'logic'. What about a very smart kid who skips a grade or two, must they 'play up' in club? I'm just trying to figure out your 'logic'.

"Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered. "

Huh? What are you on about here?

Your whole response here is even more deranged than usual. I am guessing reality (and some early Sunday mimosas) are starting to take their toll.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

So you are only mad if an August kid (or Sept in some places) is not in the same grade as club teammates? But if they get held back or start late, it magically makes it a-okay because they are now "ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team"? I'm just trying to figure out your 'logic'. What about a very smart kid who skips a grade or two, must they 'play up' in club? I'm just trying to figure out your 'logic'.

"Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered. "

Huh? What are you on about here?

Your whole response here is even more deranged than usual. I am guessing reality (and some early Sunday mimosas) are starting to take their toll.

You purposefully "cant figure it out" because you want to play your kid against younger players. Everyone sees it at this point.

I'll explain it again in a less complicated way. 8/1 and younger play on their grade in school team. Its that simple.

Nobody wants the holdback "superstars". Cheat your way onto a High School team pretending to be a grade younger.

Your first sentence makes it clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Math must have been a struggle for you in school.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yes, multiple PA clubs have also said that they plan to group Aug birthdays by grade.

https://www.kopsc.org/age-group-formation-for-2026-2027-season

"This change will not impact the Spring 2026 season and our current travel teams will remain as they were in Fall 2025. This change will begin for the Fall 2026 season such that this year's Competitive Academy tryouts will run by August 1 + grade year.

Example 1 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 6th grade - plays with 6th grade team (U12).

Example 2 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 5th grade (held back in terms of grade year) - plays with 5th grade team (U11)."

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yup, always going to be a few outliers and rec going grade year but everyone else going age. It's easy. Imagine a bunch of club staff trying to collect and figure grades out across state lines without any recognized paperwork.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yes, multiple PA clubs have also said that they plan to group Aug birthdays by grade.

https://www.kopsc.org/age-group-formation-for-2026-2027-season

"This change will not impact the Spring 2026 season and our current travel teams will remain as they were in Fall 2025. This change will begin for the Fall 2026 season such that this year's Competitive Academy tryouts will run by August 1 + grade year.

Example 1 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 6th grade - plays with 6th grade team (U12).

Example 2 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 5th grade (held back in terms of grade year) - plays with 5th grade team (U11)."

Seriously, King of Prussia is nowhere near NOVA and is a muni team.

Who will coach my player's team?
We have a vast pool of volunteer coaches across our current Competitive Academy teams and are always securing new coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yup, always going to be a few outliers and rec going grade year but everyone else going age. It's easy. Imagine a bunch of club staff trying to collect and figure grades out across state lines without any recognized paperwork.

You dont need any paperwork. You just ask players what grade they are in school at tryouts. Just like Arlington did. Then for the August and September birthdays you match them to their correct grade in school team / level.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yes, multiple PA clubs have also said that they plan to group Aug birthdays by grade.

https://www.kopsc.org/age-group-formation-for-2026-2027-season

"This change will not impact the Spring 2026 season and our current travel teams will remain as they were in Fall 2025. This change will begin for the Fall 2026 season such that this year's Competitive Academy tryouts will run by August 1 + grade year.

Example 1 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 6th grade - plays with 6th grade team (U12).

Example 2 - August 15, 2015 birthday and going into 5th grade (held back in terms of grade year) - plays with 5th grade team (U11)."

Seriously, King of Prussia is nowhere near NOVA and is a muni team.

Who will coach my player's team?
We have a vast pool of volunteer coaches across our current Competitive Academy teams and are always securing new coaches.

Fees
$575 (u8-u19)
$350 Fall Only (u8 only)
$225 Spring Only (u8 only)

I get that you're so elite that losing in ECNL or GA carries a badge of honor.

The takeaway is that grouping Aug birthdays by grade is easier for clubs, solves all kinds of issues, and is better for players when its time for recruiting.

Clubs are lazy and over time will choose the path of least resistance.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

Your example here basically says that all August players should be stuck on B team no matter what they do. That's not reality.

Ironically August players being the oldest will be the month with the most on top teams. Because nobody cares about grades when the leagues said Aug1 to July 31 and teams don't want players. playing up because it puts them and the teams at a disadvantage.

And will be ignored by college coaches when they try to get recruited.

Got any college coaches to go on record with your baseless theory? Cause they told clubs the opposite.

College coaches dont need to tell clubs or leagues how to present players. They'll just ignore the play downs and move onto the clubs that provide players the way they want them presented.

"Will" Got any evidence or just your opinion?

Most people that have played sports are sickened by the patheticness of choosing to play down.

Also if you have100 players all playing on a correct grade in school team and competing for 3-4 roster spots why would anyone waste their time looking at play downs?

August players who are misaligned on grade would not be playing down if they play ON AGE with a lower grade. Guess what they would be doing? Playing ON AGE within the new age groups.

Guess what they would be doing if they played on grade? They would be PLAYING UP.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Most of the August kids I know started school a year late, so they will be with the correct grade under SY. Which, I assume, is fine with Delusional August Guy? I can't follow his logic so I'm not sure.

August birthdays play ON THEIR GRADE IN SCHOOL team. How do you not understand that this means they can potentially be playing up or down. It all depends on when the school district they are part of chose as a cutoff.

Some will be the oldest snd some will be the youngest. Its not a parent or club decision about which level players are rostered.

It you want your Aug birthday to play down so badly and you live in a district which makes them the youngest in club just hold them back a yrar in school. This will put them on the grade younger team and everything will be aligned.

BTW this is why everyone was laughing and making fun of you when you started commenting your nonsense on the New Jersey talking soccer thread.

The school cutoff in New Jersey is late Sept. This means they have Aug and Sept players that can be rostered either way. Which likely equates to 20% of each age level. You simply cant do "case by case" for 20% of the players on each team it doesnt scale. There has to be some kind of rule that's easily applied to all players. This why the New Jersey clubs are grouping Aug Sept birthdays by grade. It gets parents off coaches backs and addresses issues like recruiting and the 8th grade team with 9th grade high school soccer players.

Places like New Jersey and Wisconsin are telling parents that they plan to group Aug Sept players by grade because its more of an issue for them. NOVA clubs are being arrogant stupid and stubborn because thats what dumb sports people do when they get forced into reality and arent smart enough to understand whats happening around them. As fall gets closer and clubs start being forced to roster Aug birthdays. They'll figure it out and they'll roster the same way as New Jersey.

For NOVA, what happens in NJ and Wisconsin to a handful of their teams doesn't matter here. With those club are losing more because their players are younger on average, its not sustainable for them.

The easiest rule applied to all players is 8/1, very limited play up and it's skill based. Especially with birthdays documentable but grades aren't. It's why leagues and NOVA teams picked dates not grades. That's not going to change.

It is funny how simple the correct answer is. They usually are: simple, to the point and easy to understand. And based in history, since this is how it is being done now, and how it was done before BY.

A ton of NJ kids play for clubs based in PA. Do you think the PA clubs are going to go, 'oh jeez, this kid is technically in this grade in NJ, but in PA we have this cut off date so they would be in this grade here etc. etc.'? Of course not. They are playing by strict age group cut off. Everyone in PA already knows that.

Yup, always going to be a few outliers and rec going grade year but everyone else going age. It's easy. Imagine a bunch of club staff trying to collect and figure grades out across state lines without any recognized paperwork.

You dont need any paperwork. You just ask players what grade they are in school at tryouts. Just like Arlington did. Then for the August and September birthdays you match them to their correct grade in school team / level.

You need paperwork and verification services. It's what happens now with birth certificates. Cheating, accusations of cheating, home schooling, being held back a grade, small schools without grades, skipping a grade and getting sued all present huge hassles. It's why leagues and teams use birthdays, that and the safety issues beyond a 12 month window, etc.

You can't just hand wave and say grades are easy to collect and monitor across all the states, thousands of school districts and private schools when they are not.