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A conservative life cycle for the poor
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Anonymous
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-Teenage girl shouldn't receive any sex ed about contraceptive use (teenage girl gets pregnant)
-Teenage girl shouldn't have access to abortion (teenage girl has child with no means to support it) -Teenage girl shouldn't have public healthcare access to pay for childbirth/child medical costs (teen girl goes in debt) -Teenage girl shouldn't receive welfare/food stamps/any governmental assistance -Programs like Head Start to help the child out later should be cut, not enhanced Wow, seems reasonable! |
Anonymous
| Eh, sort of agree. I think that contraceptives, etc. are important. But your post makes it sounds as though the lack of government services is the cause of the problem itself. The teenage girl is still in control of her life. She has a choice in how she lives. Any implication otherwise just plays into the hands of conservatives. |
Anonymous
| curious what the OP thinks is the proper role for the teenage girl's parents. my daughter knows right from wrong. |
Anonymous
| Need societal changes and more laws to make the father equally responsible for the child. |
Anonymous
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The important thing to remember is your parents income and education are key determining factors to your future. If the government or charities do not break the cycle of under-education and poverty, then you are condemning them for "decisions" that were not really their decisions. No one likes to think they live an ivory tower but large parts of the American middle class does.
How we treat the least of our society is a reflection of our moral compass. |
Anonymous
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Agreed; I am a conservative who got pregnant young, chose not to abort, worked my ass off single (pushing baby strollers through snowdrift to daycare at 5 am for little pay), won scholarship to grad school, met great guy, living 'the dream' now--savoring it even more for how hard I've worked/where I've been/how i'm enjoying it with my might not have been if I had aborted and avoided all the 'hassle' child.... That being said, I was highly educated to start with, came from a great family. It's harder when you don't have that chip to cash in --I know this. Have worked with teen moms. Still. They LOVE their kids. People who march in parades for reproductive rights blowing whistles and waving balloons like they are at Carnival piss me off. No matter what road you choose, a crisis pregnancy is a somber and hard choice. Conservatives who don't try to lessen abortion by offering more family friendly policy that would make keeping a baby a rational choice piss me off. Not advocating extreme socialism--just some family friendly policy along the lines of decent day care/leave and other such policy that makes it possible to be a single parent and work. Liberals who make the hysterical slippery slope argument against banning partial birth in all but the dire circumstances piss me off--this is the equivalent of Greeks throwing babies off cliffs. As well as liberals who wring their hands when teenagers/poor choose not to abort. This is weird class/age genocide. They have no idea that the miracle of life can be transformative to an unprepared mom sometimes--it was to me. We should all work to avoid unplanned pregnancy in our society, and to support the children who are here. We should not make extreme social policy off of that--just ameliorate for those who are here and educate against unplanned pregnancy. We also should not push people to abort b/cause we think youth or poverty automatically means the children will have 'bad lives'. I was young and in poverty when I had my child. Had/Am having a great life. So's my kid. And I can tell you what my child's opinion on abortion would be...
Overall, I want abortion to be legal so it can be a thoughtful informed choice, but somewhat restricted (partial birth is just gross and unethical). I find people who cheerlead for abortion with zero restrictions rather macabre. I find people who are against an abortion but do nothing to help children who are here--hypocritical. Let states decide, and let's all do better. Support public/charter ed. Support the single mom/dad next door. Support humans. You can directly help without raising taxes. Literally ask the harried single parent (you all know one) if he/she needs a hand. |
Anonymous
| I agree with much of your post, but I don't see people actively pushing young girls to have abortions - aside possibly from some of their parents. Advocating choice, or even eduating women on the economic consequences of young motherhood, is not tantamount to pressure to have an abortion. |
Anonymous
Rather than "but", how about responding in kind? As a pro-choice liberal, I would say something like: It's heartening to hear how much we agree on. Even though I support a woman's right to choose an abortion, I know it's a painful choice that nobody is ever likely to be entirely comfortable with. We may have our differences, but there is so much we can work together on, to make it as rare as possible that anyone would be faced with the choice, to do as much as we can to enable the child to have a good life if birth is chosen, and to do what we can for the mental and physical well-being of those who choose abortion. Whether liberal, conservative, libertarian, or whatever, I think those goals are consistent with one's politics, no? |
Anonymous
| PP: I have always thought it would be so wonderful if pro-life and pro-choice people got together to pool resources on things that they can agree on, to prevent unwanted pregnancies (and thus avoid even having to make a decision about an abortion) and to support the kids and their families who are already here. |
Anonymous
Why are no-brainers so hard? |
Anonymous
don't you know that they owe it to their babies to abort them? |
Anonymous
Does either of you think repeating your disagreements will change anyone's mind? Never mind, I'm probably not changing anyone's mind right now either! |
Anonymous
And :33 was just asking why no-brainers are so hard with regard to pro-life and pro-choice joining together on common issues. Here's your answer! |
Anonymous
yes, because you are (presumably) a good parent. you are there for her and teaching her right and wrong. what about the poor teenage girl whose parents are absent? it really bothers me - people who think - oh, well, it is the individual's responsibility to do x, y, and z things. not the governments. and you know the people who always say it, they are ones from solid families who have no idea what it means to really be poor and abandoned. |
Anonymous
oooh, be careful. Don't sound so smug, it can happen to anyone, one moment of bad judgement or carelessness..... |