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Anonymous
Yes BTHTHTM! (Been there, had that happen to me!) |
Anonymous
I don't see any of the posters advocating an abstinence-only approach. But OP's post looked a lot like a government-only approach. In other words, the child's life is determined by government policy, not her own will. Government can provide a better or worse environment, but personal responsibility is still paramount. |
Anonymous
I have a baby thanks to a failed condom (I was married to her dad at the time). Also took the morning after pill. And I was over 35! So what are the odds that that one shot would take.... She's the love of my life. My point is an unintended pregnancy can happen to anyone. |
Anonymous
It won't ever happen. Giving the father equal responsibility will give someone the idea that his rights and responsibility begin before the baby is born. Next thing you know, some guy blocks his wife or girlfriends abortion, and you will have to have all fathers sign off on having an abortion. |
Anonymous
I don't know what could be legislated to make men more responsible. Legally they are obligated to pay support. Depending on the custody arrangement, they may be on the hook for taking day to day care of the child , but in fact usually the women are trying to get more, not less control in a custody arrangement. I think what the poster is getting at is that fathers should participate more, but that can't be legislated unless the courts start mandating joint custody arrangements and then forcing them to spend time with the children. But these unwed mothers aren't going to go for that. |
Anonymous
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Heartless people here on dcum forum. When did a young mother become a worse person than a soon-to-be-released-convicted-felon? Yet nobody has an issue with the ex felons getting help.
I wish all young mother all the best. They must be the bravest individuals in this world. Especially considering the DCUM crowd. I think our tax money should go towards the children. Much better choice than the useless war. What is wrong with some people wanting children when they are young, or having kids when they are young. Or having kids when they cannot afford to? What is enough for one is not for another, and there is more to life than the rat race. |
Anonymous
You totally missed the point of the posts. No one thinks that children should not get help. They just think OP forgot to include parental responsibility in the hypothetical story. |
Anonymous
I am curious what the OP thinks of the boy/young man/ middle aged man/ sugar daddy that took advantage of this person and has already forgetten her? Can the DCUM folks not teach their sons right from wrong? |
Anonymous
The parents raise the kid with the income that they have. Everyone is entitled to get by after working a full week. We have minimum wage for a reason. Days of slavery are over. If a salary is not enough for a family to survive, then there is some help available. This is selectively given to the most desperate of cases, so that the industry will not have to increase the wages of the people who do not get by, after a full days of work |
Anonymous
Wow. Pregnant mommies that cannot pay for childbirth should not do so. Lets force them to have dangerous back street home births. A baby born with disabilities!! The government will pay for the expenses of special education etc etc Wonderful way to save money |
Anonymous
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Am I only person in DC that isn't one or the other (conservative or liberal)?
Looking at your scenario, I strongly believe sex ed that includes contraception is important (abstinence only education is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard). I'm also very pro-choice. I do think everyone should have access to health care but I don't think Obama care is anywhere near where we want to go. There has to be a strong mandate if we want people to buy their own insurance - there has got to be a steeper penalty for not getting insurance or folks will wait until they get sick to buy insurance. I think private health care that is heavily regulated with a government safety net for the very poor and sick, and elderly, is better than a public option. I do believe in food stamps and government assistance and as a proud working mom, there is NO bigger advocate for good daycare options for everyone, not just those of us lucky to make over 100K. I blame Reagan for ruining that. But Michelle said she would take that on and I haven't seen her doing much on that front but I guess it's early. It's a mixed bag for me. |
Anonymous
Once again, I haven't seen any posters argue about that. And don't lecture me about slavery. And I am 100% all for women getting help, but no one can say "I got pregnant and it's all the government's fault". |
Anonymous
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there is always going to be rich and poor. a lot depends on luck - who your parents were, what breaks you catch, whether or not you are a risk taker, but a lot also depends on hard work and intelligence and a support system.
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Anonymous
And I think there will always be some who can see themselves in positions where they would need help, and feel the government should supply such help when necessary, and others who are confident that they have what it takes to overcome diversity, and feel there is no need for the government to interfere. I hope I managed to say that without making it sound like an attack on either group. |
Anonymous
I don't think OP is saying "I got pregnant and it is the government's fault". I think what she is saying is, at every juncture where there is an opportunity for government to impact this girl's life for good or ill, government expends resources on the ill. Restricting sex ed and birth control. Denying abortions. OK fine. If you are going to be a government that restricts those things, then you must also be a pro-life CYCLE government and assist in caring for the children who yes, you helped bring into the world by cutting off other options. If the government engaged in serious sex ed, including abstinence education, and easy access to birth control and even abortion (although personally I am opposed to abortion; politically I am pro choice) THEN I would not have as much of a problem with the government denying welfare. |