Trans teen statistics?

[Anonymous]

It appears many middle and high schools, as well as colleges around the US and UK are experiencing an exponential rise in female to male transition. I know of 6 girls who identify as boys in my dd’s high school and that’s just the ones I personally know in grades 9 and 10 (50 girls per grade in a private school). All of these girls were typical females at least in dress and interests until 1-3 years ago depending on the girl. These ftm kids still go with girls to the mall, fawn over cute puppies, and act the same as prior to coming out except they dress like boys and sit like boys and seem like clones in the way they dress, walk and talk. They are now competing to see who gets puberty blockers or testosterone first and the ones whose parents won’t allow it until they are older and more mature are being treated as outcasts and cruel by their kids and by some other parents who have no idea how unnatural this is for their child and totally out of the blue (not tomboys as younger kids). I’m just wondering how many schools in the DC area are affected? There are lots of articles about this and a lot of controversy. I am very concerned about girls these days and what is driving this. I’m not anti trans for adults just seems like these kids are being influenced by peers and social media and I’m worried it’s being seen as a human rights and LGBT rights issue rather than a teen girl psychological issue. Many of these girls are gifted intellectually or are autistic.

[Anonymous]

MYOB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MYOB

I don't think that the OP needs to mind her own business. FTM is a growing phenomenon and I, too, am wondering why young women are not more comfortable in their own bodies.

[Anonymous]

NP - Many of the very brightest girls at my DC's MCPS high school identify as trans or non-binary. I've heard that there is a very high rate of gender dysmorphia in the autistic community.

[Anonymous]

There was an initial study done at Brown that suggested further research into the “social contagion” aspect was warranted. The study was shut down by trans activists and pulled.

The trans movement of today is the cutting and aneroxia/bulimia of yesteryear, but with a strong political power behind it. I think we’ll look back with horror at the medical treatment aspects of hormones and surgery for this.

[Anonymous]

I think there is definitely a fad element in it at this point. It’s so much easier to FTM so I guess it’s viewed as a viable transition.

[Anonymous]

For one thing, I think kids are tired of traditional gender roles being thrust on them. I’m saying this as a parent of a trans teen. I also have a daughter who is not trans but is not happy being a girl. She says she doesn’t feel like other, but she hates getting attention just for being a girl. It makes her uncomfortable. We’re working with a therapist to get to the bottom of it, but I think she wishes gender (as defined by society) weren’t a thing.

My trans son has never felt comfortable as a girl. From early childhood he always chose boy roles, clothes, hairstyles, etc. That’s only one part of being trans. Gender identity has 3 parts: body (what you’re born with), identity (how you feel/identify), and presentation (what you show the world). Those don’t all have to match. Just because they presented as female doesn’t mean they felt female. They may have felt male and been afraid to express it. In fact, they may have felt male and overcompensated by being ultra feminine hoping those feelings would go away. My trans DS went through that phase too. Or it could be that they felt different but didn’t know what they were feeling, and now they have the words to express themselves.

It’s extremely complicated. When someone comes out, it’s extremely rare that it’s a new development in their way of thinking. There’s usually a long period where they try to work through their feelings alone, then share with a few friends or family, probably a therapist or medical team, then keep broadening the circle as they transition. To some people, it probably looked like DS woke up one day, cut his hair, changed his name, and demanded everyone use him/he. In reality, if it was such a sudden change, it means we’re not that close to you or we didn’t trust that you’d be supportive during the transition.

[Anonymous]

It is incredibly hard to be a girl. When you're 9 or so and begin puberty, you suddenly realize you're an object and no longer a person. Men start appraising how you look. By the time you're 12, it seems like you're fair game and you're having to fend off really inappropriate and unwanted contact and perceptions. Your parents hound you for how you dress because of what people might thing. Your friends vie to look the most grown up to gain societal approval for being appropriately feminine. Strangers treat you like a sexual object. And you're not even a teenager.

You don't see boys having to deal with all that. They still get to hang out. Be goofy. Be irresponsible. You don't see them get harassed or attacked. No one's warning them all the ways they can be raped or assaulted.

It looks a lot nicer to be a boy. And it's really, desperately uncomfortable being a girl, even before we start dealing with the annoyance of suddenly having boobs everywhere or having to deal with a period.

And no one talks about it. I'm 50, and puberty was absolute hell for me. I was more prepared to help my daughters go through it, and one of them still found it hellish, and is just coming to her peace with everything at 17 (for now, I have no doubt she's going to have future issues with what it means to be a woman in our society).

Who wouldn't want to be a boy instead? You don't get constantly judged on being appropriately feminine. Maybe you'll even avoid being raped or assaulted. Wouldn't that be worth it, instead of getting all these messages that the world is going to treat you terribly, then blame you for it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there is definitely a fad element in it at this point. It’s so much easier to FTM so I guess it’s viewed as a viable transition.

Definitely a fad for many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly hard to be a girl. When you're 9 or so and begin puberty, you suddenly realize you're an object and no longer a person. Men start appraising how you look. By the time you're 12, it seems like you're fair game and you're having to fend off really inappropriate and unwanted contact and perceptions. Your parents hound you for how you dress because of what people might thing. Your friends vie to look the most grown up to gain societal approval for being appropriately feminine. Strangers treat you like a sexual object. And you're not even a teenager.

You don't see boys having to deal with all that. They still get to hang out. Be goofy. Be irresponsible. You don't see them get harassed or attacked. No one's warning them all the ways they can be raped or assaulted.

It looks a lot nicer to be a boy. And it's really, desperately uncomfortable being a girl, even before we start dealing with the annoyance of suddenly having boobs everywhere or having to deal with a period.

And no one talks about it. I'm 50, and puberty was absolute hell for me. I was more prepared to help my daughters go through it, and one of them still found it hellish, and is just coming to her peace with everything at 17 (for now, I have no doubt she's going to have future issues with what it means to be a woman in our society).

Who wouldn't want to be a boy instead? You don't get constantly judged on being appropriately feminine. Maybe you'll even avoid being raped or assaulted. Wouldn't that be worth it, instead of getting all these messages that the world is going to treat you terribly, then blame you for it?

Interesting observations. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Trans boy mom. Understand you have had a different experience and your daughter’s experience is more like what I’ve noticed. My child is a ROGD “girl” and in the end if she is trans so be it, but it’s not the same as your trans boy. That’s the problem. Why do you assume we don’t know our girls well but you know you pr boy and girl? Do you believe all girls who say they are boys should transition? Are you aware of the rate of desisting and detranitioning? If a girl is born female with no hormonal or physiological issues and “feels” like a boy suddenly after watching trans videos and having trans friends yet still acts girly and has no typical male interests and has some shame regarding her new adolescent body she should take testosterone? Are you aware of teen girl social contagion? In the UK it’s trans kids parents (meaning those who affirm their trans kids and help them transition) who are the loudest critics of ROGD. Do they need to hurt other kids just to defend their own decisioN? I would not judge a transboy’s parents’ decision to support transition assuming a qualified professional has worked with the kid. This phenomenon is hurting girls and not helping “real” trans kids because when all these girls detransition you will feel the backlash. No offense meant just frustrated beyond belief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trans boy mom. Understand you have had a different experience and your daughter’s experience is more like what I’ve noticed. My child is a ROGD “girl” and in the end if she is trans so be it, but it’s not the same as your trans boy. That’s the problem. Why do you assume we don’t know our girls well but you know you pr boy and girl? Do you believe all girls who say they are boys should transition? Are you aware of the rate of desisting and detranitioning? If a girl is born female with no hormonal or physiological issues and “feels” like a boy suddenly after watching trans videos and having trans friends yet still acts girly and has no typical male interests and has some shame regarding her new adolescent body she should take testosterone? Are you aware of teen girl social contagion? In the UK it’s trans kids parents (meaning those who affirm their trans kids and help them transition) who are the loudest critics of ROGD. Do they need to hurt other kids just to defend their own decisioN? I would not judge a transboy’s parents’ decision to support transition assuming a qualified professional has worked with the kid. This phenomenon is hurting girls and not helping “real” trans kids because when all these girls detransition you will feel the backlash. No offense meant just frustrated beyond belief.

I was saying I have a girl who doesn’t like being a girl but doesn’t feel like she’s a boy, as well as a trans son. I didn’t say everyone who feels like they are the opposite sex should immediately transition, nor did I judge anyone. I just pointed out, as a parent of a girl who’s unhappy with her gender as well as a trans son, that you don’t know the whole process the kids are going through if you’re not extremely close to them. Sometimes it seems like a sudden transition, when in reality it’s been a slow, private process.

I didn’t push my daughter to take hormones the moment she decided she doesn’t like being a girl. That would be ludicrous. She’s not doing any hormone therapy, she still uses female pronouns. We just try to be gender neutral when we can. When my son needed hormones, we worked with his medical team to start the process. We didn’t discuss it with anyone, so it probably seemed like a sudden decision. I’m not sure why you felt the need to call me out specifically, considering I was only explaining why sometimes decisions seem sudden from the outside when they’re actually deliberate and well thought out on the inside.

If you’re the OP, it wasn’t clear that you’re the parent of one of these children. It seemed like you’re judging your child’s peers, and probably aren’t privy to all the ins and outs of the decision making process. If you’re not the OP, I’m not sure why you took what I said so personally and with such offense.

Every family needs to support the child in doing what’s best for them.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of supports/help are you getting for your child that don’t involve transitioning? I’m always curious when people say that, but I don’t know anyone irl well enough to ask.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty confident 90+% of the "trans" girls into boys will revert back to being women someday. They'll grow out of it.

There was a very well written article by an Irish woman who talked about when she was a teenage she spent several years feeling very masculine and even thinking she was more a boy and dressed like one and behaved like one. Then one day she effectively snapped out of it and realized she was really a woman and actually liked being a woman. The premise of her article was that if she'd been a teen today she could have been encouraged to go through the treatments, which would have been damaging in the long run.

The reason I don't place much merit into most of the self described trans is because if this was a real phenomena we would have seen a lot more of it in the past. A lot more. And we'd also see many more older adults "coming out". But that's not the case. And that's what makes it different from homosexuality. I'm 100% sure that mass media and cultural influences are encouraging some girls to trick themselves into being trans as they seek an alternative lifestyle or an excuse for their teen frustrations. Teen frustration is nothing new, as we all know. I can remember girls from my school days who wanted to be alternative and went through a spell of what we'd now consider gender fluid and who, had they been alive today, would likely declare themselves trans, and guess what, they're all now happily female and married with children.

[Anonymous]

What's also intriguing is how this is almost exclusively a white girl phenomena. Just about all the women into men are white women. Young teen white women. This has been noticed by others in studies. And even the young children of both genders are almost entirely white and especially from a certain demographics that we can call the overly educated. And that suggests what the phenomena really is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trans boy mom. Understand you have had a different experience and your daughter’s experience is more like what I’ve noticed. My child is a ROGD “girl” and in the end if she is trans so be it, but it’s not the same as your trans boy. That’s the problem. Why do you assume we don’t know our girls well but you know you pr boy and girl? Do you believe all girls who say they are boys should transition? Are you aware of the rate of desisting and detranitioning? If a girl is born female with no hormonal or physiological issues and “feels” like a boy suddenly after watching trans videos and having trans friends yet still acts girly and has no typical male interests and has some shame regarding her new adolescent body she should take testosterone? Are you aware of teen girl social contagion? In the UK it’s trans kids parents (meaning those who affirm their trans kids and help them transition) who are the loudest critics of ROGD. Do they need to hurt other kids just to defend their own decisioN? I would not judge a transboy’s parents’ decision to support transition assuming a qualified professional has worked with the kid. This phenomenon is hurting girls and not helping “real” trans kids because when all these girls detransition you will feel the backlash. No offense meant just frustrated beyond belief.

ROGD - Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria - I looked it up.