Confederate Battle Flag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another day- still southern, still proud and the stars and bars is my flag. Old glory too. God Love you.

Sincere question here. I am also Southern and I do not have the same attachment to the stars and bars. What does the flag signify to you and why is it important for you to fly it. Not a setup. Just interested.

Well I do have quite a few ancestors who fought in war. I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag. It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag. When you feel like saying screw Washington, it resonates. Can make me feel at home in a good way. Has nothing to do - for me- with race, treason or any of these nasty things that Yankees seem to see the flag for. Anyway, that's personal and honest.

"I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag." - Nonsense. Confederates put down that flag at the end of the war in 1865 and never flew it again. Robert E. Lee said it should never be flown again. It didn't come back until long after - when most of the original Confederate veterans were dead and gone.

"It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag." - The Confederate Flag represents a FAILED rebellion - which is not something to be proud of. And, the Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flag is not a "Tea Party" flag nor was it ever intended as one of secession or rebellion against Yankees or the US government - the Tea Party has been trying to adopt it but that is incredibly far from its original meaning - the Gadsden Flag was based on the woodcut by Benjamin Franklin of a snake cut into 13 pieces with the caption "Join, or Die" making the case for a strong United States - rather than a loose and weak federal government as Tea Partiers want. That is also echoed again in the 13 rattles on the snake's tail. Also, that was the battle flag of one of the first FEDERAL military units, as the Marines carried it into battle - also going against the Tea Party notion of strong states rights but weak federal government. Anyone flying that flag as a symbol of the Tea Party has zero clue about history or its real meaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pride in this...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/georgia-men-with-confederate-flags-crash-black-childs-birthday-party-threaten-to-kill-yall-nrs/

Still used by racists to intimidate black people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another day- still southern, still proud and the stars and bars is my flag. Old glory too. God Love you.

Sincere question here. I am also Southern and I do not have the same attachment to the stars and bars. What does the flag signify to you and why is it important for you to fly it. Not a setup. Just interested.

Well I do have quite a few ancestors who fought in war. I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag. It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag. When you feel like saying screw Washington, it resonates. Can make me feel at home in a good way. Has nothing to do - for me- with race, treason or any of these nasty things that Yankees seem to see the flag for. Anyway, that's personal and honest.

"I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag." - Nonsense. Confederates put down that flag at the end of the war in 1865 and never flew it again. Robert E. Lee said it should never be flown again. It didn't come back until long after - when most of the original Confederate veterans were dead and gone.

"It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag." - The Confederate Flag represents a FAILED rebellion - which is not something to be proud of. And, the Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flag is not a "Tea Party" flag nor was it ever intended as one of secession or rebellion against Yankees or the US government - the Tea Party has been trying to adopt it but that is incredibly far from its original meaning - the Gadsden Flag was based on the woodcut by Benjamin Franklin of a snake cut into 13 pieces with the caption "Join, or Die" making the case for a strong United States - rather than a loose and weak federal government as Tea Partiers want. That is also echoed again in the 13 rattles on the snake's tail. Also, that was the battle flag of one of the first FEDERAL military units, as the Marines carried it into battle - also going against the Tea Party notion of strong states rights but weak federal government. Anyone flying that flag as a symbol of the Tea Party has zero clue about history or its real meaning.

Your claim that the confederate flag was put away after the civil war has been soundly debunked on this thread by, inter alia, various pictures of the flag being displayed at confederate reunions.

[Anonymous]

Confederate reunions <> State Capitols.

[Anonymous]

More ancestral pride in action

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/confederate-flags-atlanta-church-mlk-center

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another day- still southern, still proud and the stars and bars is my flag. Old glory too. God Love you.

Sincere question here. I am also Southern and I do not have the same attachment to the stars and bars. What does the flag signify to you and why is it important for you to fly it. Not a setup. Just interested.

Well I do have quite a few ancestors who fought in war. I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag. It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag. When you feel like saying screw Washington, it resonates. Can make me feel at home in a good way. Has nothing to do - for me- with race, treason or any of these nasty things that Yankees seem to see the flag for. Anyway, that's personal and honest.

"I would feel I shamed my kin if I turned away from that flag." - Nonsense. Confederates put down that flag at the end of the war in 1865 and never flew it again. Robert E. Lee said it should never be flown again. It didn't come back until long after - when most of the original Confederate veterans were dead and gone.

"It also has a rebellious dynamic- perhaps akin to the tea part don't tread on me flag." - The Confederate Flag represents a FAILED rebellion - which is not something to be proud of. And, the Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flag is not a "Tea Party" flag nor was it ever intended as one of secession or rebellion against Yankees or the US government - the Tea Party has been trying to adopt it but that is incredibly far from its original meaning - the Gadsden Flag was based on the woodcut by Benjamin Franklin of a snake cut into 13 pieces with the caption "Join, or Die" making the case for a strong United States - rather than a loose and weak federal government as Tea Partiers want. That is also echoed again in the 13 rattles on the snake's tail. Also, that was the battle flag of one of the first FEDERAL military units, as the Marines carried it into battle - also going against the Tea Party notion of strong states rights but weak federal government. Anyone flying that flag as a symbol of the Tea Party has zero clue about history or its real meaning.

Your claim that the confederate flag was put away after the civil war has been soundly debunked on this thread by, inter alia, various pictures of the flag being displayed at confederate reunions.

It is a fact that it was not flown at state capitols, or for that matter not flown nearly as widely as it is today.

[Anonymous]

Last night someone "decorated" the King Center for Nonviolence with confederate flags. Clearly the persons doing this understand the meaning of the symbol, and it's not exactly "heritage" or "state's rights".

[Anonymous]

i am not sure what this state capital fuss is about. Stars and bars has been continually displayed since the war of northern aggression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pride in this...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/georgia-men-with-confederate-flags-crash-black-childs-birthday-party-threaten-to-kill-yall-nrs/

Still used by racists to intimidate black people.

This is the tradition that confederate flag proponents are perpetuating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i am not sure what this state capital fuss is about. Stars and bars has been continually displayed since the war of northern aggression.

not on state capitols.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i am not sure what this state capital fuss is about. Stars and bars has been continually displayed since the war of northern aggression.

WRONG. They have *not* flown over state capitols continuously.

And WRONG on the "Northern Aggression" bullshit. The South was the first to attack, at Fort Sumter.

Learn your goddamn history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pride in this...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/georgia-men-with-confederate-flags-crash-black-childs-birthday-party-threaten-to-kill-yall-nrs/

Still used by racists to intimidate black people.

This is the tradition that confederate flag proponents are perpetuating.

The traditions of hate, intimidation and cowardice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i am not sure what this state capital fuss is about. Stars and bars has been continually displayed since the war of northern aggression.

WRONG. They have *not* flown over state capitols continuously.

And WRONG on the "Northern Aggression" bullshit. The South was the first to attack, at Fort Sumter.

Learn your goddamn history.

I simply meant that the flag has been in continuous use regardless of whether it's been over state capitals.

I know my history just fine thank you-

The question of secession from the union was the ultimate question of states rights. The north sent its armies I to the south to keep us in its union.

Firing in Sumter was really a fly on the rump of that conflict- it was coming anyway.

You Yankees will never learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pride in this...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/georgia-men-with-confederate-flags-crash-black-childs-birthday-party-threaten-to-kill-yall-nrs/

Black youths ran a black man off the road that supported the confederate flag. Killed him I. The process. Does that count in your narrow little worldview?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pride in this...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/georgia-men-with-confederate-flags-crash-black-childs-birthday-party-threaten-to-kill-yall-nrs/

Black youths ran a black man off the road that supported the confederate flag. Killed him I. The process. Does that count in your narrow little worldview?

The road supported the Confederate flag?