New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

All this has done is make the road safer for everyone, including you, whether you're driving, bicycling, walking, or catching a bus.

Did you count how many people are driving on the road during off-peak hours? Did you ask why there's a six-lane road, when there are only enough cars to potentially justify a six-lane road for a maximum of 10 hours a week?

That’s awesome, except that cyclists in this thread are saying that the lanes installed are over designed allowing them to disregard the safety buffer and engage in less safe behavior through rising side by side. If they are going to disregard the buffer, which is there for their safety but instead has induced unsafe behavior, then it should at minimum be removed to improve the safety of cyclists.

You can ride side-by-side in non-bike lane too.

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Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

All this has done is make the road safer for everyone, including you, whether you're driving, bicycling, walking, or catching a bus.

Did you count how many people are driving on the road during off-peak hours? Did you ask why there's a six-lane road, when there are only enough cars to potentially justify a six-lane road for a maximum of 10 hours a week?

That’s awesome, except that cyclists in this thread are saying that the lanes installed are over designed allowing them to disregard the safety buffer and engage in less safe behavior through rising side by side. If they are going to disregard the buffer, which is there for their safety but instead has induced unsafe behavior, then it should at minimum be removed to improve the safety of cyclists.

You can ride side-by-side in non-bike lane too.

Not in the state of Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?
So you just absolutely need to ride your bike for an hour and a half from DC to shop specifically at Balucci’s? Is the Chopt, Fish Taco or Chipotle just that much better? Do you like the scenery at Tuckerman Ln that much? Give it a rest already.

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

So you just absolutely need to ride your bike for an hour and a half from DC to shop specifically at Balucci’s? Is the Chopt, Fish Taco or Chipotle just that much better? Do you like the scenery at Tuckerman Ln that much? You are so familiar with Maryland that you don’t even know the law here. But back to the point, post all you want, the lanes are not staying and your opinion doesn’t matter.

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If the only users of the bike lanes are 2 kids that would have otherwise fallen into traffic and been killed then the whole exercise is worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

So you just absolutely need to ride your bike for an hour and a half from DC to shop specifically at Balucci’s? Is the Chopt, Fish Taco or Chipotle just that much better? Do you like the scenery at Tuckerman Ln that much? You are so familiar with Maryland that you don’t even know the law here. But back to the point, post all you want, the lanes are not staying and your opinion doesn’t matter.

You have no idea why anyone is traveling anywhere and frankly, it is none of your business. Public space is there to facilitate the ability for people to get safely from point A to point B irrespective of what transportation mode they are using.

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

So you just absolutely need to ride your bike for an hour and a half from DC to shop specifically at Balucci’s? Is the Chopt, Fish Taco or Chipotle just that much better? Do you like the scenery at Tuckerman Ln that much? You are so familiar with Maryland that you don’t even know the law here. But back to the point, post all you want, the lanes are not staying and your opinion doesn’t matter.

You have no idea why anyone is traveling anywhere and frankly, it is none of your business. Public space is there to facilitate the ability for people to get safely from point A to point B irrespective of what transportation mode they are using.

What I do know is that very few people travel by bicycle on Old Georgetown Road and that’s all that is important.

Again I ask the question, why are you not petitioning DDOTDC to install bike lanes on New York Avenue in your community if this issue was so important to you? Or is your advocacy only performative?

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Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

You can't imagine someone advocating for an improvement they themselves won't directly benefit from. Imagine that.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

I am a NP and have no idea where the PP lives (and neither do you) but I live in DC and find it laughable that a MD resident would complain about DC residents weighing in on transportation options. Does MoCo only want retail and other spending from MoCo residents? Are there zero DC residents who work in MoCo? Has a person from DC never driven on any stretch of OG or looked at a map and therefore would have no way of knowing where Nicholson Lane is?

Most importantly, will Md drivers stop treating DC like a racetrack and stop racing through our streets and complaining about bike lanes on Ct Ave if only direct residents to a cooridor may weigh in on changes?

Maybe that PP should sit on the newly-safe sidewalk and count out-of-state license plates. You're an interloper if you're bicycling in the bike lanes and you don't live in Bethesda, but if you're driving on Old Georgetown Road from anywhere to anywhere, you're important and should be accommodated? Seems like Bethesda residents should object, most of all, to interlopers driving on Old Georgetown Road, since they're the ones causing the traffic back-ups, noise, dangers from speeding, etc.!

I'm a Montgomery County resident who drives and bikes on Old Georgetown Road.

So much cope. Again, why do DC people care so much about this? It’s baffling.

It is baffling to you that people use roads in an area that they don’t live? Isn’t that the entire point of roads, sidewalks, and bikes lanes, to help people get to and from their homes?

So you just absolutely need to ride your bike for an hour and a half from DC to shop specifically at Balucci’s? Is the Chopt, Fish Taco or Chipotle just that much better? Do you like the scenery at Tuckerman Ln that much? You are so familiar with Maryland that you don’t even know the law here. But back to the point, post all you want, the lanes are not staying and your opinion doesn’t matter.

You have no idea why anyone is traveling anywhere and frankly, it is none of your business. Public space is there to facilitate the ability for people to get safely from point A to point B irrespective of what transportation mode they are using.

What I do know is that very few people travel by bicycle on Old Georgetown Road and that’s all that is important.

Again I ask the question, why are you not petitioning DDOTDC to install bike lanes on New York Avenue in your community if this issue was so important to you? Or is your advocacy only performative?

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I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

I don’t think it’s NIMBY. Rather, I think it’s people saying the lanes weren’t well thought out, and wondering why no survey was requested of people who live in and travel OGR. I support bike lanes but so far these don’t seem to be intelligently designed. But I’ll hold my judgement until they’re completed and used for a few months in warmer weather.

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Anonymous wrote:I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

I don’t think it’s NIMBY. Rather, I think it’s people saying the lanes weren’t well thought out, and wondering why no survey was requested of people who live in and travel OGR. I support bike lanes but so far these don’t seem to be intelligently designed. But I’ll hold my judgement until they’re completed and used for a few months in warmer weather.

One outcome of this debacle is very clear. There will never be another bike lane on a state highway in Montgomery County again. So hopefully this is the most important one because it will be the only one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

I think so too. I’ve posted a few times as someone who lives right off OGR. I’m on the road multiple times a day and I just haven’t seen major backups. Every time I saw that, the person accused me of not living in the neighborhood, though. I assume this is one of my neighbors and I’m really pretty curious which it is. I hope they don’t tear them out because it makes me happy to see my neighbors riding their bikes around and to tell my kids to ride to the Y so I don’t have to drive them, but also because if they tear it all up it will cause major delays again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

I think so too. I’ve posted a few times as someone who lives right off OGR. I’m on the road multiple times a day and I just haven’t seen major backups. Every time I saw that, the person accused me of not living in the neighborhood, though. I assume this is one of my neighbors and I’m really pretty curious which it is. I hope they don’t tear them out because it makes me happy to see my neighbors riding their bikes around and to tell my kids to ride to the Y so I don’t have to drive them, but also because if they tear it all up it will cause major delays again.

You “live right off OGR” haven’t seen anything?

It’s probably a good thing that you don’t drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be wrong, but the last 10 - 15 pages of this has one incredibly triggered NIMBY just screaming into a void. And tbh, I'm kinda here for it.

I think so too. I’ve posted a few times as someone who lives right off OGR. I’m on the road multiple times a day and I just haven’t seen major backups. Every time I saw that, the person accused me of not living in the neighborhood, though. I assume this is one of my neighbors and I’m really pretty curious which it is. I hope they don’t tear them out because it makes me happy to see my neighbors riding their bikes around and to tell my kids to ride to the Y so I don’t have to drive them, but also because if they tear it all up it will cause major delays again.

You “live right off OGR” haven’t seen anything?

It’s probably a good thing that you don’t drive.

Its so clear this picture was taken as a light changed from red to green, as evidenced by the cars in the foreground NOT bumper to bumper. I love this thread so much some of you are wildly upset by bikes