2028 Girls Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was the one who inserted body type (beyond height, that is). I’m a woman/mom. It jumped to mind for me when reading that post because youngest my daughter is not lean or “fast” (tall is tbd) but is doing well at low attack. Plus I do think people get stuck on a prototype of very tall and lean yet strong. There are so many who aren’t that prototype. I notice when I see something more akin to what my daughter may be.

I did not see the UA 150 combine related post from data guy about speed and recruiting but would like to see that.

To be clear, the original poster did not identify “lean” as an important quality.

[Anonymous]

Yes I know. I was explaining why I began talking about that anew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Few things less helpful than a group of dads deciding what bodies are best for D1 women's lacrosse, and which are outliers on an anonymous chat board. So unhelpful, in fact, that I feel compelled to respond.

First, data guy did a multi-paragraph analysis of the size and speed arguments on the old thread based on data from UA 150 combines and recruiting results and, if I recall, showed that there was not a direct correlation between speed and recruiting results, especially for attackers, and even for midfielders, although it was a plus for defenders.

For height, there are so many exceptions that undermine the rule, that the rule is not that relevant. Does it help to be over 5'7"? Maybe for some programs. Is it the deciding factor, not really.

What matters the most is whether you can play the game. You don't have to look too far to confirm that. Chloe Humphrey is listed as 5'4" but looks smaller. I watched a group of rising 9th graders tower over her at American Select last year--and she would be any team's first pick today.

One massive example not good enough for you. How about this--the MAJORITY of the US National team is under 5'7". That means most of the players on the team ((Ally Kennedy (5'3"), (Emma Muchnick (5'4"), Emma Lopinto (5'4") Cassidy Weeks (5'5"), Katie Gooddale (5'5"), Sam Apuzzo (5'6"), Sydney Scales (5'6"), Shea Baker (5'6"), Caylee Waters (5'6"), Marie McCool (5'6"), Kenzie Kent (5'6"), Brigid Duffy (5'6")), okay? Being over 5'7" is not one of the "only things that matter". Enough of that already.

Stick skills and lax IQ are both significantly more important, but they were buried as an afterthought in the OP's post. And no, let's not talk about "shape". Somehow different body types can excel at the same sport. Just ask Steph Curry and Victor Wembyana. Enough of this.

Good luck to all the 2028s going out to leave their heart on the field and have a chance to play at the next level.

To be fair, the original poster cited several traits that college coaches clearly value—speed, height, grades, club affiliation, lacrosse IQ, and stickwork. A later poster then introduced the “body type” strawman, which seems to be what prompted the pearl-clutching.

To be fair, the OP didn’t have the actual ability to play lacrosse listed anywhere in his numbered criteria. He added stick work and Lax IQ as an extra. And I don’t own any pearls.

What I disagree with is the OP coming on here a week before summer recruiting starts to list two physical attributes (which are more or less immutable) as two of four end all and be all elements of recruiting success. They aren’t. He said you need all four enumerated attributes to play for most schools, and added stick skills and lax IQ for the two power conferences.

The facts are that variety of heights, and even speeds (big difference between raw top end sprint speed and shiftiness or quickness), get recruited, play, excel in the B10 and ACC, and even win Tewaaratons and make the national team. That is my point.

I may have over-rotated a bit due to the history and rancor of the prior discussion on this thread, and because I think there is a guy or a few of them, who just likes make people nervous about their kids chances. Not a huge fan of that type of troll, as this phase is challenging enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do not skip BIC if you got an invite!

Welcome, BIC organizers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not skip BIC if you got an invite!

Welcome, BIC organizers

As if they need to post on DCUM to meet their quotas? Please.

[Anonymous]

2028 parents. Let’s just survive this summer! Keep it positive. Let’s all support each other and the girls and wish everyone stays healthy. Enough stress in this process. Let’s build up and not tear down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2028 parents. Let’s just survive this summer! Keep it positive. Let’s all support each other and the girls and wish everyone stays healthy. Enough stress in this process. Let’s build up and not tear down

Just great if I can’t tear down or attack another parent what am I going to do with all that free time? I guess it’s back to the bingo halls and Keno machines for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2028 parents. Let’s just survive this summer! Keep it positive. Let’s all support each other and the girls and wish everyone stays healthy. Enough stress in this process. Let’s build up and not tear down

Just great if I can’t tear down or attack another parent what am I going to do with all that free time? I guess it’s back to the bingo halls and Keno machines for me.

Keno

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not skip BIC if you got an invite!

Welcome, BIC organizers

Do as you please with your time and money, but an event that has 2029s 2030/31s is mostly a money grab. It’s all good to have your kid post on their Instagram page that they’re attending (as are 300 other kids), but honestly having your child fatigued by mid summer is a real issue. One thing we heard time and time again during the recruiting process was that coaches would rather see quality of play versus quantity. Playing hard at 3-4 events and hustle the same 4th quarter as you do 1st quarter will take you much farther than attending 10 events and looking like you’re playing half-ass because you’re so drained. As a PP who has gone through the process with two kids, I can tell you being on the rd in scorching temps for 8 weeks straight is not for the weary. Choose your events wisely. If your kid is telling you their body is staring to hurt, listen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the 2027s, there was 47 kids ranked five stars, 2 of them were not at BIC, the other 45 were

And what about the other 200 girls that went? What were they ranked? I know a 2027 that went two year, she’s on a top club, zero stars and still not recruited.

[Anonymous]

I don't know what kind of mind games are being played here, but I believe most people would consider BIC Summer to be the most sought-after and prestigious showcase this summer for 2028s, and I wish my DD had a ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the 2027s, there was 47 kids ranked five stars, 2 of them were not at BIC, the other 45 were

And what about the other 200 girls that went? What were they ranked? I know a 2027 that went two year, she’s on a top club, zero stars and still not recruited.

Nice 1 outlier vs 45 5-stars argument , and to try and prove what exactly? Only 50 get ranked by Inside Lacrosse. If you meant 4 stars, you can be pretty sure that many if not most were there at BIC. As for your possibly apocryphal 2027 BIC attendee, no one thinks the invites are perfect, and you can rest assured that attending BIC and being on the roster sent to coaches certainly didn't hurt her chances of being recruited. I'm guessing almost all of the attendees (probably 90+%) of the 2027s who attended last year are committed. And the programs on that list are impressive as well. Maybe the dad with the access to the 2027 attendee list can tell us. He's already done one-third of the analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what kind of mind games are being played here, but I believe most people would consider BIC Summer to be the most sought-after and prestigious showcase this summer for 2028s, and I wish my DD had a ticket.

And why do you think it’s so sought-after? Has your child attended? Do you know how it’s run? How the kids are evaluated? You probably know about it because of social media and the best kids (who are already being seen) attend. It’s no longer as “exclusive” as it once was. Parents play into the social media highlight posts just as desperately as the kids do. Both my children attended 2 years and I can tell you, the kids are not being seen by all the coaches, sometimes no coaches at all. The coaches who attend are going to this event see a group of kids that are already in their watch list. Your kid might be lucky enough to be playing on the same team as or against one of those kids, but there is no way a coach can get a fair evaluation on that many kids in such a short amount of time. The amount of time your kid actually sees the field to make good plays is minimal. This event is not going to determine your kid’s recruiting success. Be glad your daughter is sitting this one out and you’re saving yourself $600 or whatever it is now. Side note *it helps if you’re a First Class athlete and attend Deemers training, just FYI*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what kind of mind games are being played here, but I believe most people would consider BIC Summer to be the most sought-after and prestigious showcase this summer for 2028s, and I wish my DD had a ticket.

And why do you think it’s so sought-after? Has your child attended? Do you know how it’s run? How the kids are evaluated? You probably know about it because of social media and the best kids (who are already being seen) attend. It’s no longer as “exclusive” as it once was. Parents play into the social media highlight posts just as desperately as the kids do. Both my children attended 2 years and I can tell you, the kids are not being seen by all the coaches, sometimes no coaches at all. The coaches who attend are going to this event see a group of kids that are already in their watch list. Your kid might be lucky enough to be playing on the same team as or against one of those kids, but there is no way a coach can get a fair evaluation on that many kids in such a short amount of time. The amount of time your kid actually sees the field to make good plays is minimal. This event is not going to determine your kid’s recruiting success. Be glad your daughter is sitting this one out and you’re saving yourself $600 or whatever it is now. Side note *it helps if you’re a First Class athlete and attend Deemers training, just FYI*

My child hasn’t attended, and I don’t need to know how it’s run or how players are evaluated to recognize it as the most prestigious and sought-after event of the summer. If you can name a more prestigious, more in-demand event this summer, I’ll Venmo you $10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what kind of mind games are being played here, but I believe most people would consider BIC Summer to be the most sought-after and prestigious showcase this summer for 2028s, and I wish my DD had a ticket.

And why do you think it’s so sought-after? Has your child attended? Do you know how it’s run? How the kids are evaluated? You probably know about it because of social media and the best kids (who are already being seen) attend. It’s no longer as “exclusive” as it once was. Parents play into the social media highlight posts just as desperately as the kids do. Both my children attended 2 years and I can tell you, the kids are not being seen by all the coaches, sometimes no coaches at all. The coaches who attend are going to this event see a group of kids that are already in their watch list. Your kid might be lucky enough to be playing on the same team as or against one of those kids, but there is no way a coach can get a fair evaluation on that many kids in such a short amount of time. The amount of time your kid actually sees the field to make good plays is minimal. This event is not going to determine your kid’s recruiting success. Be glad your daughter is sitting this one out and you’re saving yourself $600 or whatever it is now. Side note *it helps if you’re a First Class athlete and attend Deemers training, just FYI*

My child hasn’t attended, and I don’t need to know how it’s run or how players are evaluated to recognize it as the most prestigious and sought-after event of the summer. If you can name a more prestigious, more in-demand event this summer, I’ll Venmo you $10.

*showcase* event, that is