Disappointment

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To the OP, I think college acceptances are a big farce. We pretend like if this child just had diff ECs or something else her outcomes would have been different. I know two kids admitted to Ivies this cycle that are very average (no leadership, hard working but not brilliant). Why were they admitted? Because they come from rural communities and are economically disadvantaged according to the college’s formula. That gave them the boost to get admitted. Kids from the DC region are on a whole other playing field. It really opened my eyes that admissions is a joke and we are pretending that our kids have some control over the process.

Strongly agree. There is nothing wrong with OP’s profile. What’s wrong is a corrupt admissions process that favors rich people through ED, athletes and often legacies and more. No one should be so invested in affirming the current admissions process that they blame this child, especially with racist Asian stereotypes. OP’s kid will do great at any of the colleges she was accepted to. W&M and Pitt seem to have many happy students! OP, I suggest you have this thread locked and stop subjecting yoursef and your kid to these insults.

For the final time: Anyone can do ED. You just have to run the NPC and be prepared to pay what the school says you "can pay". If you can't pay what they say, well then you should not ED. Or if you "could pay but want the opportunity to see what merit offers a kid gets" well then ED is not for you. But you could choose to ED and pay
So yeah, kids whose parents have planned and saved for college can ED, and it's not just rich kids. [i] There are plenty of MC/UMC parents who chose to save and make education a priority[b]. If you didn't don't complain now

Yeah, they’re called “rich kids.” Anyone who has the ability to pay all their bills AND save money for retirement AND save money for college is rich.

I know plenty of MC people who have done so or people who were MC until their kids were 10+. They simply chose to live within their means and make retirement and college savings a part of "living within your means". Most people making $200K+ could have made that choice. And under $200K will get financial aid.

And yes, "rich people" or rather anyone who "has more money than you" will likely have the ability to purchase things in life that are different than you. That is life. You likely drive a Honda and not a BMW---both do the job equally well. And there are literally 2000+ colleges outside the T30 or so that will not be $90K for your kid, and will be affordable to most people.

So what you are complaining about is equivalent to "it's not fair that some people can buy a BMW at $75K+ and I can only afford a Honda for $35K".

Also, there are people who only make $200K who have saved for $90K schools.

200k HHI is not middle class. Average income in US is between 70-80k HHI. THAT is middle class.

Middle class actually has a definition. And it’s not necessarily what either of you are saying exactly. It’s location dependent and based on the cost of living and median income in a given area. Middle class describes those w HHI two thirds of median income to double the median income of a certain area. So in DC the median income is 90k HHI. 78k-235k HHI is the range for what’s considered middle class in DC. That’s a huge range obviously. Those at the lower end of the range aren’t going to be able to afford to save much for college whereas those at the top of the range could conceivably save a lot. Middle class would have a different income range in say Mississippi where median income is much lower than DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Harsh comments on this thread. Didn’t read them all

To the OP, I think college acceptances are a big farce. We pretend like if this child just had diff ECs or something else her outcomes would have been different. I know two kids admitted to Ivies this cycle that are very average (no leadership, hard working but not brilliant). Why were they admitted? Because they come from rural communities and are economically disadvantaged according to the college’s formula. That gave them the boost to get admitted. Kids from the DC region are on a whole other playing field. It really opened my eyes that admissions is a joke and we are pretending that our kids have some control over the process.

Strongly agree. There is nothing wrong with OP’s profile. What’s wrong is a corrupt admissions process that favors rich people through ED, athletes and often legacies and more. No one should be so invested in affirming the current admissions process that they blame this child, especially with racist Asian stereotypes. OP’s kid will do great at any of the colleges she was accepted to. W&M and Pitt seem to have many happy students! OP, I suggest you have this thread locked and stop subjecting yoursef and your kid to these insults.

For the final time: Anyone can do ED. You just have to run the NPC and be prepared to pay what the school says you "can pay". If you can't pay what they say, well then you should not ED. Or if you "could pay but want the opportunity to see what merit offers a kid gets" well then ED is not for you. But you could choose to ED and pay
So yeah, kids whose parents have planned and saved for college can ED, and it's not just rich kids. [i] There are plenty of MC/UMC parents who chose to save and make education a priority[b]. If you didn't don't complain now

Yeah, they’re called “rich kids.” Anyone who has the ability to pay all their bills AND save money for retirement AND save money for college is rich.

I know plenty of MC people who have done so or people who were MC until their kids were 10+. They simply chose to live within their means and make retirement and college savings a part of "living within your means". Most people making $200K+ could have made that choice. And under $200K will get financial aid.

And yes, "rich people" or rather anyone who "has more money than you" will likely have the ability to purchase things in life that are different than you. That is life. You likely drive a Honda and not a BMW---both do the job equally well. And there are literally 2000+ colleges outside the T30 or so that will not be $90K for your kid, and will be affordable to most people.

So what you are complaining about is equivalent to "it's not fair that some people can buy a BMW at $75K+ and I can only afford a Honda for $35K".

Also, there are people who only make $200K who have saved for $90K schools.

200k HHI is not middle class. Average income in US is between 70-80k HHI. THAT is middle class.

yes, that is true. And someone who makes only $80K is likely not even concerned about schools that cost 90K, let alone those in the T20. They are searching for the best nearby schools that will give their kid merit and financial aid.
They are choosing the state U (not the top 1-3 in VA, but after that level) and choosing one that gives their kid good merit and good fa or they go with a private that gives excellent merit.
They are not even considering the T25 schools which are too expensive. They cannot imagine applying to 10+ schools and paying $100 each

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200k HHI is not middle class. Average income in US is between 70-80k HHI. THAT is middle class.

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Thinking in terms of quintiles or deciles is more appropriate . And per capita HH income more so. 200 k HH w/ 1 kid is 33% more income than one with 2 kids…Huuuge difference

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harsh comments on this thread. Didn’t read them all

To the OP, I think college acceptances are a big farce. We pretend like if this child just had diff ECs or something else her outcomes would have been different. I know two kids admitted to Ivies this cycle that are very average (no leadership, hard working but not brilliant). Why were they admitted? Because they come from rural communities and are economically disadvantaged according to the college’s formula. That gave them the boost to get admitted. Kids from the DC region are on a whole other playing field. It really opened my eyes that admissions is a joke and we are pretending that our kids have some control over the process.

Strongly agree. There is nothing wrong with OP’s profile. What’s wrong is a corrupt admissions process that favors rich people through ED, athletes and often legacies and more. No one should be so invested in affirming the current admissions process that they blame this child, especially with racist Asian stereotypes. OP’s kid will do great at any of the colleges she was accepted to. W&M and Pitt seem to have many happy students! OP, I suggest you have this thread locked and stop subjecting yoursef and your kid to these insults.

For the final time: Anyone can do ED. You just have to run the NPC and be prepared to pay what the school says you "can pay". If you can't pay what they say, well then you should not ED. Or if you "could pay but want the opportunity to see what merit offers a kid gets" well then ED is not for you. But you could choose to ED and pay
So yeah, kids whose parents have planned and saved for college can ED, and it's not just rich kids. [i] There are plenty of MC/UMC parents who chose to save and make education a priority[b]. If you didn't don't complain now

Yeah, they’re called “rich kids.” Anyone who has the ability to pay all their bills AND save money for retirement AND save money for college is rich.

I know plenty of MC people who have done so or people who were MC until their kids were 10+. They simply chose to live within their means and make retirement and college savings a part of "living within your means". Most people making $200K+ could have made that choice. And under $200K will get financial aid.

And yes, "rich people" or rather anyone who "has more money than you" will likely have the ability to purchase things in life that are different than you. That is life. You likely drive a Honda and not a BMW---both do the job equally well. And there are literally 2000+ colleges outside the T30 or so that will not be $90K for your kid, and will be affordable to most people.

So what you are complaining about is equivalent to "it's not fair that some people can buy a BMW at $75K+ and I can only afford a Honda for $35K".

Also, there are people who only make $200K who have saved for $90K schools.

200k HHI is not middle class. Average income in US is between 70-80k HHI. THAT is middle class.

yes, that is true. And someone who makes only $80K is likely not even concerned about schools that cost 90K, let alone those in the T20. They are searching for the best nearby schools that will give their kid merit and financial aid.
They are choosing the state U (not the top 1-3 in VA, but after that level) and choosing one that gives their kid good merit and good fa or they go with a private that gives excellent merit.
They are not even considering the T25 schools which are too expensive. They cannot imagine applying to 10+ schools and paying $100 each

That wasn’t my point. My point is that it is very difficult for truly middle class (not some warped DCUM out of touch w reality version of middle class) families to save money for college in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happens every year. Every other kid has 1550+, 4.9 GPA, amazing EC’s, excellent essays.. etc.
There are only so many seats for the thousands of applicants with similar stats.. .

I don’t think there was anything wrong with her application. It just a crapshoot.. luck wasn’t on her side.

No, There are not that many kids W those stats. It is certainly not “every other kid” it’s very rare to have those stats.

You must be new here. If your kid's GPA is less than 4.0 UW or SAT of sub-1500, you will be told to send you kid to trade school, community college, or a gap year to add something meaningful to their application to make up for their abysmal test score. It's not a rare profile for wealthy kids from urban centers.

1570 is rare. Out of 2.13 million test takers only 4473 score 1570 or higher.

Theres more to life than a test score. You know what else is RARE.
My kid's 3x national championship award in their sport.

You know what else is rare? Posters actually naming the sport. It means nothing without knowing the sport. Table tennis? Tiddlywinks?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happens every year. Every other kid has 1550+, 4.9 GPA, amazing EC’s, excellent essays.. etc.
There are only so many seats for the thousands of applicants with similar stats.. .

I don’t think there was anything wrong with her application. It just a crapshoot.. luck wasn’t on her side.

No, There are not that many kids W those stats. It is certainly not “every other kid” it’s very rare to have those stats.

You must be new here. If your kid's GPA is less than 4.0 UW or SAT of sub-1500, you will be told to send you kid to trade school, community college, or a gap year to add something meaningful to their application to make up for their abysmal test score. It's not a rare profile for wealthy kids from urban centers.

1570 is rare. Out of 2.13 million test takers only 4473 score 1570 or higher.

Theres more to life than a test score. You know what else is RARE.
My kid's 3x national championship award in their sport.

You know what else is rare? Posters actually naming the sport. It means nothing without knowing the sport. Table tennis? Tiddlywinks?

Ymmm. Why would anyone voluntarily dox their kid?!?

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Anonymous wrote:This happens every year. Every other kid has 1550+, 4.9 GPA, amazing EC’s, excellent essays.. etc.
There are only so many seats for the thousands of applicants with similar stats.. .

I don’t think there was anything wrong with her application. It just a crapshoot.. luck wasn’t on her side.

No, There are not that many kids W those stats. It is certainly not “every other kid” it’s very rare to have those stats.

You must be new here. If your kid's GPA is less than 4.0 UW or SAT of sub-1500, you will be told to send you kid to trade school, community college, or a gap year to add something meaningful to their application to make up for their abysmal test score. It's not a rare profile for wealthy kids from urban centers.

1570 is rare. Out of 2.13 million test takers only 4473 score 1570 or higher.

Theres more to life than a test score. You know what else is RARE.
My kid's 3x national championship award in their sport.

You know what else is rare? Posters actually naming the sport. It means nothing without knowing the sport. Table tennis? Tiddlywinks?

Ymmm. Why would anyone voluntarily dox their kid?!?

Telling a sport a kid plays is not really “doxxing”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happens every year. Every other kid has 1550+, 4.9 GPA, amazing EC’s, excellent essays.. etc.
There are only so many seats for the thousands of applicants with similar stats.. .

I don’t think there was anything wrong with her application. It just a crapshoot.. luck wasn’t on her side.

No, There are not that many kids W those stats. It is certainly not “every other kid” it’s very rare to have those stats.

You must be new here. If your kid's GPA is less than 4.0 UW or SAT of sub-1500, you will be told to send you kid to trade school, community college, or a gap year to add something meaningful to their application to make up for their abysmal test score. It's not a rare profile for wealthy kids from urban centers.

1570 is rare. Out of 2.13 million test takers only 4473 score 1570 or higher.

Theres more to life than a test score. You know what else is RARE.
My kid's 3x national championship award in their sport.

You know what else is rare? Posters actually naming the sport. It means nothing without knowing the sport. Table tennis? Tiddlywinks?

Ymmm. Why would anyone voluntarily dox their kid?!?

Telling a sport a kid plays is not really “doxxing”

3x national championship? In one sport? How many right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happens every year. Every other kid has 1550+, 4.9 GPA, amazing EC’s, excellent essays.. etc.
There are only so many seats for the thousands of applicants with similar stats.. .

I don’t think there was anything wrong with her application. It just a crapshoot.. luck wasn’t on her side.

No, There are not that many kids W those stats. It is certainly not “every other kid” it’s very rare to have those stats.

You must be new here. If your kid's GPA is less than 4.0 UW or SAT of sub-1500, you will be told to send you kid to trade school, community college, or a gap year to add something meaningful to their application to make up for their abysmal test score. It's not a rare profile for wealthy kids from urban centers.

1570 is rare. Out of 2.13 million test takers only 4473 score 1570 or higher.

Theres more to life than a test score. You know what else is RARE.
My kid's 3x national championship award in their sport.

You know what else is rare? Posters actually naming the sport. It means nothing without knowing the sport. Table tennis? Tiddlywinks?

Ymmm. Why would anyone voluntarily dox their kid?!?

Telling a sport a kid plays is not really “doxxing”

3x national championship? In one sport? How many right?

Ever heard of team sports?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harsh comments on this thread. Didn’t read them all

To the OP, I think college acceptances are a big farce. We pretend like if this child just had diff ECs or something else her outcomes would have been different. I know two kids admitted to Ivies this cycle that are very average (no leadership, hard working but not brilliant). Why were they admitted? Because they come from rural communities and are economically disadvantaged according to the college’s formula. That gave them the boost to get admitted. Kids from the DC region are on a whole other playing field. It really opened my eyes that admissions is a joke and we are pretending that our kids have some control over the process.

Strongly agree. There is nothing wrong with OP’s profile. What’s wrong is a corrupt admissions process that favors rich people through ED, athletes and often legacies and more. No one should be so invested in affirming the current admissions process that they blame this child, especially with racist Asian stereotypes. OP’s kid will do great at any of the colleges she was accepted to. W&M and Pitt seem to have many happy students! OP, I suggest you have this thread locked and stop subjecting yoursef and your kid to these insults.

For the final time: Anyone can do ED. You just have to run the NPC and be prepared to pay what the school says you "can pay". If you can't pay what they say, well then you should not ED. Or if you "could pay but want the opportunity to see what merit offers a kid gets" well then ED is not for you. But you could choose to ED and pay
So yeah, kids whose parents have planned and saved for college can ED, and it's not just rich kids. [i] There are plenty of MC/UMC parents who chose to save and make education a priority[b]. If you didn't don't complain now

Yeah, they’re called “rich kids.” Anyone who has the ability to pay all their bills AND save money for retirement AND save money for college is rich.

Not true. Mine did ED. We are around 140K HHI. Excellent FA package. Did research and NPCs.

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Wow, this thread has gone off the rails. Maybe OP is spamming or having kids spamming because it is clear that this kid had potential with a giid academic profile but could have done much more to develop EC profile and made crucial mistakes in terms of application process. (And, if the kid had a modicum of the entitlement the poster had, possibly not the best on communication). OP expected UVA RD to be a likely-mistake. She let kid pin hopes on Hopkins but didn't even have jer apply ED1. Double mistake. She didn't apply widely enough.

This family made serious mistakes. I think the biggest was expecting grades and test scores to do more than just get the kid's file reviewed.

Instead of owning it, OP just kept arguing with everyone, so that's why I think she had something to do with this derail. Maybe this board has made me overly cynical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this thread has gone off the rails. Maybe OP is spamming or having kids spamming because it is clear that this kid had potential with a giid academic profile but could have done much more to develop EC profile and made crucial mistakes in terms of application process. (And, if the kid had a modicum of the entitlement the poster had, possibly not the best on communication). OP expected UVA RD to be a likely-mistake. She let kid pin hopes on Hopkins but didn't even have jer apply ED1. Double mistake. She didn't apply widely enough.

This family made serious mistakes. I think the biggest was expecting grades and test scores to do more than just get the kid's file reviewed.

Instead of owning it, OP just kept arguing with everyone, so that's why I think she had something to do with this derail. Maybe this board has made me overly cynical.

This happens WAY more than we all think. I'm on a bunch of parent FB groups for the class of 2025 - the amount of whining and crying about how their kids' stats (ranking, scores, grades, rigor) should have been enough for T20, and how could they have been shut out.

Most don't understand holistic admissions, the role of major, and the critical importance of developing a compelling story.

[Anonymous]

This was my DD 4 years ago. She ended up at Tufts with the intention of trying to transfer to Penn, Dartmouth, etc.

But she found she loved Tufts and is graduating in a couple of weeks and already has accepted a job offer. It all worked out. She was so disappointed at first, she worked so hard and saw Tufts as an Ivy reject school. Now she sees it as a place where she forged probably lifelong friendships, ended up loving the Boston area, and was challenged in class and had fun outside of class, too.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DD 4 years ago. She ended up at Tufts with the intention of trying to transfer to Penn, Dartmouth, etc.

But she found she loved Tufts and is graduating in a couple of weeks and already has accepted a job offer. It all worked out. She was so disappointed at first, she worked so hard and saw Tufts as an Ivy reject school. Now she sees it as a place where she forged probably lifelong friendships, ended up loving the Boston area, and was challenged in class and had fun outside of class, too.

THIS. It works out fine, either they accept it and learn to love it, or they try to transfer. Sometimes the grass is greener and acceptance overall ends up being the best thing.

[Anonymous]

I am sorry that your child is disappointed, but doesn’t her experience match the probabilities? Reaches are rejections for the vast majority of applicants. Targets are likely, safeties should be shoe-ins. You understood the assignment.

Instead of focusing on a magazine’s rankings, really try to appreciate the excellent options that she has worked hard to earn. Her future home is among them. Help her get excited about the next phase of her life.