really worried about social acceptance...

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Anonymous wrote:*Montgomery County is accepting as a whole and we've been here 20 years now

Kids running around in blackface doesn't seem that accepting to me.

I'm not sure how to tell you this, because it seems like something your mom should have taught you as a child, but there are always--always--- a small percentage of fools in every large group. There will never bee 100% homogenous views in a large population. That doesn't negate the overwhelming majority. Life isn't black and white

This is a post about tolerance and there have been so many ugly incidents at those schools like the above it would be remiss not to mention. These incidents were happening frequently so I wouldn't describe them as a few bad apples but more indicative of the culture there. Anyway, I realize it isn't pretty but is directly on point for this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Pot, you are calling the kettle black. I think you need to look in the mirror!

Many of us in the WJ suburbs, including our family, don't care about your socioeconomic status, who you love, or the color of your skin. As long as you are kind people with a good moral compass and raising decent kids, no one gives a flying f*** about those things you seem so worried about.

So people there don't really care but they just happen to pay hundreds of thousands more for a home in an area to ensure their children attend a segregated school?

It's a lovely day, PP. Why don't you go outside and enjoy it, instead of staying inside to pick fights with anonymous posters about reasons people might buy a house in Bethesda?

And before you pick a fight with me: DCUM thinks my kid's schools are in Ganglandia.

Well you don’t pay for a “good” school district if you are so blasé about the SES of your child’s classmates.

And given that there have been 0 gang related incidents at. any MCPS school in years that's just fearmongering.

How many have there been on school grounds or involving kids at those schools? Quite a few. Just because no one has been murdered during Algebra doesn't make schools with a gang problem safe. MCPD has an MCPS gang taskforce that monitors a handful of schools.

According to the county there have been zero incidents in years so the rest seems like fearmongering but I have read about the drug busts at Churchill so guess that could be gang related.

A quick Google search turns these up.

https://wjla.com/news/crime/md-teen-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-facebook-post-details-suspects-anger

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/ms-13-member-found-guilty-in-killing-of-gaithersburg-teen-parents-divided-as-mcps-relaxes-rules-on-cellphones

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/how-montgomery-county-is-combating-gang-violence/2227398/

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/gang-recruiting-seen-as-early-as-elementary-school/409171264

LOL not this again! I remember when you posted links like this about incidents in TX as proof of gang activity in MCPS. Seriously try harder.

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Anonymous wrote:*Montgomery County is accepting as a whole and we've been here 20 years now

Kids running around in blackface doesn't seem that accepting to me.

I'm not sure how to tell you this, because it seems like something your mom should have taught you as a child, but there are always--always--- a small percentage of fools in every large group. There will never bee 100% homogenous views in a large population. That doesn't negate the overwhelming majority. Life isn't black and white

Because there have been so many incidents like these at the segregated school, I think it's clear there's a problem there.

There are no segregated schools in the USA. It was made illegal decades ago. Try harder.

Is this a joke?

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OP- whew are you coming from? Anywhere you go in MC will be fine. It’s all blue! Potomac might be a little more conservative but it’s all relative. You will feel all the love over in TP and maybe even find some friends for your daughter with gay parents, but there won’t be ostracism anywhere here. Welcome!

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Anonymous wrote:Pot, you are calling the kettle black. I think you need to look in the mirror!

Many of us in the WJ suburbs, including our family, don't care about your socioeconomic status, who you love, or the color of your skin. As long as you are kind people with a good moral compass and raising decent kids, no one gives a flying f*** about those things you seem so worried about.

So people there don't really care but they just happen to pay hundreds of thousands more for a home in an area to ensure their children attend a segregated school?

It's a lovely day, PP. Why don't you go outside and enjoy it, instead of staying inside to pick fights with anonymous posters about reasons people might buy a house in Bethesda?

And before you pick a fight with me: DCUM thinks my kid's schools are in Ganglandia.

Well you don’t pay for a “good” school district if you are so blasé about the SES of your child’s classmates.

And given that there have been 0 gang related incidents at. any MCPS school in years that's just fearmongering.

How many have there been on school grounds or involving kids at those schools? Quite a few. Just because no one has been murdered during Algebra doesn't make schools with a gang problem safe. MCPD has an MCPS gang taskforce that monitors a handful of schools.

According to the county there have been zero incidents in years so the rest seems like fearmongering but I have read about the drug busts at Churchill so guess that could be gang related.

A quick Google search turns these up.

https://wjla.com/news/crime/md-teen-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-facebook-post-details-suspects-anger

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/ms-13-member-found-guilty-in-killing-of-gaithersburg-teen-parents-divided-as-mcps-relaxes-rules-on-cellphones

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/how-montgomery-county-is-combating-gang-violence/2227398/

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/gang-recruiting-seen-as-early-as-elementary-school/409171264

So, the first link is about a horrible crime, not gang related at all. A 19 year-old soon-to-be-father stabbed his pregnant girlfriend because he was overwhelmed by the prospect of parenting. That's absolutely awful, but has nothing to do wtih gangs.

The second and fourth links are the same crime, which happened in Virginia involving Virgina residents and the only link to MCPS was that the victim (not the perpetrator) had at one point been an MCPS student.

The third is about gang violence in general, but not about MCPS.

All of this is terrible, but none of it proves any sort of a point about gangs in MCPS schools.

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OP, if your family is outdoorsy, I recommend you look at the neighborhoods along the river—Cabin John, Bannockburn, Glen Echo, Glen Echo Heights, Brookmont are the ones in the Whitman district. We are in Bannockburn and there is a really warm, chill (for Bethesda) vibe here. I think some it is because these neighborhoods attract people who like to run/walk/cycle a lot. Plus we have great trees.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your family is outdoorsy, I recommend you look at the neighborhoods along the river—Cabin John, Bannockburn, Glen Echo, Glen Echo Heights, Brookmont are the ones in the Whitman district. We are in Bannockburn and there is a really warm, chill (for Bethesda) vibe here. I think some it is because these neighborhoods attract people who like to run/walk/cycle a lot. Plus we have great trees.

(But you'll have to drive everywhere else.)

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We live in Churchill cluster. I only recall one two-mom family in our circles (sports teams, etc) but from my vantage point, they weren't treated any differently--by that I mean, I don't recall a single person ever mentioning it as anything but normal. (Though admittedly it is difficult to tell from the outside.) People are *very* accepting of gay kids, though, so I don't have reason to think there's a difference.

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Come to AU Park.

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Will your kid be accepted easily in a Potomac elementary school? Most likely yes.

Will you find community in Potomac yourselves? That is less likely, unless you were born and bred in the country club set.

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What you’ll find in much of Montgomery County is progressive views on race, sexuality, gender, etc., but a rampant lack of awareness among monied people about the ways their assumptions, attitudes, and choices exacerbate disparities. I’m in SS/TKPK but grew up near the area where you’re considering moving.. In both places there is a smugness about being on the correct side of certain social issues, but a real deficit of knowledge and humility about cultural and socioeconomic differences.

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Anonymous wrote:I have lived in MoCo for 11 years (Kensington and Rockville) and fortunately have seen very little (actually no) explicit discrimination against LGBTQ families. However, you might want to ask a broader question about equity, if that is important to you. Some (not all, of course) of the liberal, progressive families accepting of LGBTQ families are much less accepting of low (or middle) income families, particularly from low SES or immigrant backgrounds. You might want to ask yourself if moving to Bethesda, rather than a more socio-economically diverse neighborhood or school district is the right fit for you. It might in fact be the right fit, and that is okay. My family has chosen to send our children to public schools in Silver Spring, despite having access to BCC, because we wanted our children to have peers with backgrounds that are more reflective of our society. Again, I don't suggest that this should be your primary concern because that is your family's decision but something to consider when you are pondering issues of social acceptance.

This is a good point.

Yup, as someone who grew up in Bethesda (and went to WJ), this is spot on. The lovely neighborhood in which I grew up is now McMansion central; if the people seem low-key, it’s because they’ve largely surrounded themselves with other wealthy people, so they relax about being in a “good” neighborhood. These same people recoil with horror when they hear where our kids go to school. I’m only exaggerating slightly.

Uh, what? lol

I just moved to the WJ district two years ago, and the reason we specifically chose it was because it still has all of the older homes throughout the neighborhoods... homes with personality & history. They're not cookie cutters.

I find this hard to believe... where exactly did you grow up that's in WJ that's "Mcmansion central" now?

I can't think of a single neighborhood zoned for WJ that doesn't have predominantly ranches, lunchboxes, split levels, farmhouses, cape cods & small colonials with newer construction sprinkled throughout.

Yes, EVERY neighborhood in Bethesda has new construction of larger homes being built, including WJ -- but the ones in WJ aren't what anyone would traditionally consider "Mcmansions", because the lots here aren't anywhere near as large as they are in wealthier districts like Whitman, Churchill or BCC.

Even though WJ has newer homes, they have all of the other types of older homes (mentioned above) still lining the streets heavily, situated right next door to the new construction.

So, where exactly did you grow up? 🤔

I went to Wyngate. The street I grew up on is literally unrecognizable to me, because all the trees have been cut down. Also, you must not have been in many of the feeder neighborhoods for WJ if you think they’re *all* these quaint, down to earth havens you describe.
Go to the homes feeding into Luxmanor, which were huge even when I was in school.

Ultimately, you protest too much. The bigger point is that any of the W schools are “liberal,” but that people who buy for the schools are often deeply uncomfortable with the reality of their kids attending school with those of lower means. Some are more obvious about it than others, but there are limits to their claims of tolerance and equity.

Ok, now I REALLY call bulls!t.
Luxmanor isn't even in Bethesda or Potomac, it's in Rockville and it's certainly nowhere near Wyngate.

You still haven't given up the street you lived on in Wyngate, that every home on that street is a "McMansion" now.

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Anonymous wrote:Pot, you are calling the kettle black. I think you need to look in the mirror!

Many of us in the WJ suburbs, including our family, don't care about your socioeconomic status, who you love, or the color of your skin. As long as you are kind people with a good moral compass and raising decent kids, no one gives a flying f*** about those things you seem so worried about.

So people there don't really care but they just happen to pay hundreds of thousands more for a home in an area to ensure their children attend a segregated school?

Clearly you don't have kids that go to WJ, because it's definitely not segregated.
Nice try though.

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Anonymous wrote:Pot, you are calling the kettle black. I think you need to look in the mirror!

Many of us in the WJ suburbs, including our family, don't care about your socioeconomic status, who you love, or the color of your skin. As long as you are kind people with a good moral compass and raising decent kids, no one gives a flying f*** about those things you seem so worried about.

So people there don't really care but they just happen to pay hundreds of thousands more for a home in an area to ensure their children attend a segregated school?

It's a lovely day, PP. Why don't you go outside and enjoy it, instead of staying inside to pick fights with anonymous posters about reasons people might buy a house in Bethesda?

And before you pick a fight with me: DCUM thinks my kid's schools are in Ganglandia.

Well you don’t pay for a “good” school district if you are so blasé about the SES of your child’s classmates.

And given that there have been 0 gang related incidents at. any MCPS school in years that's just fearmongering.

How many have there been on school grounds or involving kids at those schools? Quite a few. Just because no one has been murdered during Algebra doesn't make schools with a gang problem safe. MCPD has an MCPS gang taskforce that monitors a handful of schools.

According to the county there have been zero incidents in years so the rest seems like fearmongering but I have read about the drug busts at Churchill so guess that could be gang related.

A quick Google search turns these up.

https://wjla.com/news/crime/md-teen-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-facebook-post-details-suspects-anger

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/ms-13-member-found-guilty-in-killing-of-gaithersburg-teen-parents-divided-as-mcps-relaxes-rules-on-cellphones

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/how-montgomery-county-is-combating-gang-violence/2227398/

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/gang-recruiting-seen-as-early-as-elementary-school/409171264

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Anonymous wrote:Pot, you are calling the kettle black. I think you need to look in the mirror!

Many of us in the WJ suburbs, including our family, don't care about your socioeconomic status, who you love, or the color of your skin. As long as you are kind people with a good moral compass and raising decent kids, no one gives a flying f*** about those things you seem so worried about.

So people there don't really care but they just happen to pay hundreds of thousands more for a home in an area to ensure their children attend a segregated school?

It's a lovely day, PP. Why don't you go outside and enjoy it, instead of staying inside to pick fights with anonymous posters about reasons people might buy a house in Bethesda?

And before you pick a fight with me: DCUM thinks my kid's schools are in Ganglandia.

Well you don’t pay for a “good” school district if you are so blasé about the SES of your child’s classmates.

And given that there have been 0 gang related incidents at. any MCPS school in years that's just fearmongering.

How many have there been on school grounds or involving kids at those schools? Quite a few. Just because no one has been murdered during Algebra doesn't make schools with a gang problem safe. MCPD has an MCPS gang taskforce that monitors a handful of schools.

According to the county there have been zero incidents in years so the rest seems like fearmongering but I have read about the drug busts at Churchill so guess that could be gang related.

A quick Google search turns these up.

https://wjla.com/news/crime/md-teen-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-facebook-post-details-suspects-anger

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/ms-13-member-found-guilty-in-killing-of-gaithersburg-teen-parents-divided-as-mcps-relaxes-rules-on-cellphones

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/how-montgomery-county-is-combating-gang-violence/2227398/

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/gang-recruiting-seen-as-early-as-elementary-school/409171264

These are terrible examples.
Were you attempting to make a point by listing them, or did you just google "Montgomery County" + "gangs " but you didn't take the time to actually READ the articles? 🤔

Firstly, you've quoted incidents that have occurred one time for each calendar year.
According to the FBI's major crimes, MoCo is WAY below the national average with regards to violent crimes.

Every county in this nation that saddles up so closely to a major metropolitan city is going to have violent crime.
Please name one county in the US that doesn't?

As for your so-called proof...

1. The first link, was a kid stabbing his pregnant girlfriend.
This was classified by the police as a domestic/personal incident -- NOT gang related.

* In fact, the only mention of the gang MS-13 in the article states...
"The 6 foot 230-pound assailant was reportedly scared off when he saw individuals nearby, who he believed to be associated with the MS13 gang..."
So, way to go, you've actually made MS-13 the heroes of this story -- great job. 🙄

2. The second link:
"Investigators believe the killing was an act of revenge for a Jan. 12 murder along the Potomac River in Virginia."
So once again, this was NOT a random killing that the community should be afraid of becoming a target, this homicide was in direct retaliation for a previous homicide.

3. The third link:
"How Montgomery County is Combating Gang Violence".

The *very* first headline states:
"Authorities have reduced gang-related homicides in Montgomery County from 26 in 2015-2016 to just THREE in 2018-2019."

Again; authorities have reduced gang related homicides over a two year period from 26, to just THREE. Great example. 😂

4. The last link..
"Gang recruiting seen as early as elementary school"

This is another story about the same kid from your 2nd link, lol... and, this article is primarily about the issues of gang recruiting in NORTHERN VIRGINIA, not MoCo.

The only reason MCPS & MoCo are even mentioned in the article, is because the kid from your 2nd link dropped out of Watkins Mill HS in MoCo.

Reading is fundamental.
Google can be your friend, but only if you actually take the time to *read*. 🤦‍♀️

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We're in Potomac (zoned to Wootton). It'll be fine. Even the conservatives here are socially liberal. No one at our ES would bat an eye.

I was walking around our neighborhood last October, before the election, and a house that had been for rent had a Trump sign in front. It was so out of place in our neighborhood that I honestly thought it was a Halloween decoration. Later, my DH pointed out that someone with a GA license plate seemed to have moved in, and I realized the sign was legit.