Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
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Anonymous
Please cite the link for delta causing more severe illness in children. |
Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/ More severe illness. It doesn't specify 'in children', it just implies 'in humans,' which children are. |
Anonymous
This seems totally plausible -- I was in college in 1995, and plenty of people around here were, too. No idea how many adults rushed to get the vaccine as soon as it was available, but I bet it was a small percentage of the ones who were young and had anti-vaxxer parents! |
Anonymous
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Here's an article from yesterday (July 29):
"Overall the news is reassuring when it comes to children and the risks of serious complications from Covid-19. New research suggests the Delta variant may cause more serious illness in adults, but it’s not known if the variant puts children at greater risk of more serious illness. Compared to adults, children diagnosed with Covid-19 are more likely to have mild symptoms or none at all. Children are also far less likely to develop severe illness, be hospitalized or die from the disease. Out of about 3.5 million cases of Covid-19 in children in the United States, the National Center for Health Statistics has reported, as of July 28, that 519 children have died from Covid-19 (fewer than 0.015 percent), including 346 children 5 to 17 years of age, and 173 children 4 or younger. Children with underlying medical conditions are the most likely to be hospitalized. Black and Hispanic children also had higher rates of hospitalization, although overall risk remained low." ... "While any death of a child is devastating, it may help parents to think about other risks to childhood health compared to Covid-19. The C.D.C. estimates there were 480 deaths among children from influenza during the 2018-19 school year. Injury is the leading cause of death among children — about 12,000 children and young adults 1 to 19 years of age die in accidents each year, including more than 4,000 deaths in car crashes, 900 drowning accidents and 761 unintentional poisonings or drug overdoses. Public health experts say that, in most cases, the risk of educational and mental health setbacks associated with keeping kids home appears to be far higher than the risk of complications from Covid-19 among young people. A number of studies show the pandemic has taken a toll on childhood mental health. And recent findings show that students fell four to seven months behind in math and reading compared to similar students in 2019. “We’ve scared parents so much they don’t know what to do, and a lot of them are thinking about keeping children at home,” said Neeraj Sood, a professor and vice dean for research at the University of Southern California and director of the Covid Initiative at the U.S.C. Schaeffer Center. “We have to think about children as a whole and taking care of their total welfare.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/well/family/back-to-school-covid.html |
Anonymous
Probably because the myocarditis didn't start getting reported in large enough numbers for them to think it needed to be looked at until after March? The silver lining of the new info on the delta variant, though, is that the risk/benefit calculation on vaccinating under 12 kids changes; if it's really much more contagious, the upside of vaccinating kids looks a little better compared to the (fairly small) risk of side effects from the shot. Even if kids still have pretty low risks of bad outcomes from covid itself. |
Anonymous
If you read the myriad articles of the threats to delta IN CHILDREN, it does not reflect that. As we've witnessed, covid behave differently in kids, so saying that something happens "for humans" shouldn't immediately translate to kids. You should gain solace from that. |
Anonymous
Solace from fact-twisting delusions? Is that like holistic self-hypnotherapy alternative to Xanax? I'll stay lucid, thank you. It certainly does translate to children - there is absolutely nothing that shows otherwise. |
Anonymous
You are correct that there is nothing that shows that delta is worse IN CHILDREN. |
Anonymous
"Overall the news is reassuring when it comes to children and the risks of serious complications from Covid-19. New research suggests the Delta variant may cause more serious illness in adults, but it’s not known if the variant puts children at greater risk of more serious illness. Compared to adults, children diagnosed with Covid-19 are more likely to have mild symptoms or none at all. Children are also far less likely to develop severe illness, be hospitalized or die from the disease. Out of about 3.5 million cases of Covid-19 in children in the United States, the National Center for Health Statistics has reported, as of July 28, that 519 children have died from Covid-19 (fewer than 0.015 percent), including 346 children 5 to 17 years of age, and 173 children 4 or younger. Children with underlying medical conditions are the most likely to be hospitalized. Black and Hispanic children also had higher rates of hospitalization, although overall risk remained low." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/well/family/back-to-school-covid.html |
Anonymous
Just because it was approved in 1995 doesn’t mean people who were adults then got it. I was 21 in 1995, didn’t have chicken pox as a kid, and only learned about and got the vaccine a few years later because I did proactive research after a friend got chicken pox as an adult. There was no big campaign to get all of the adults who never had chicken pox vaccinated. I suspect a lot of people who were in their 20s or older when the vaccine came out never got it. |
Anonymous
| At any rate, if something has an extremely small risk of happening, and you double that risk, you still get an extremely small risk. |
Anonymous
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The data on delta in kids is still coming in, but so far things initially seem like it is no more harmful than prior strains of covid: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-top-pediatricians-want-you-know-about-delta-variant-children-n1274536 "Dr. Jennifer Lighter, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health, said the delta variant, while it is "certainly more contagious," doesn't appear to be more dangerous to children than other variants. " https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/ "One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine. |
Anonymous
Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults. Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit? This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic. |
Anonymous
This is what I meant. PP's friend would have to be very young for the non-vac'ed status to be due to anti-vac parents. |
Anonymous
No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid. Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above. No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it. Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher. Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds? |