Let's keep the outdoor dining, the streets reserved for walking, and the new bike lanes.

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

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You think a guy on a bike is going to pick up $2000 dinner check at the Palm a couple of times a month? Look, if you want a city full of Potbellys then keep building bike lanes.

Why should I care about someone dropping $2k on a dinner? I really don't care if a place like that closes. I'd rather have more room for a mom & pop shop where I can get a good meal for $10-$15.

But don't you feel sad for all of the people who will no longer be able to spend $4,000 a month at the Palm if DC makes it safer and more convenient for people to get around by bike?

Hey, I wonder what transportation modes are used by the people who cook, serve, and clean up after those $2,000 dinners!

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

Forty percent of Washingtonians drive to work, 34 percent take public transportation, 13 percent walk and 4 percent bike.

Of course that's only part of the picture though because a large percentage of people commuting in DC live in Virginia and Maryland, and they are more much likely to drive and take public transportation and much less likely to walk or bike.

So, yes, most people drive.

https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/states2020/District_of_Columbia.pdf

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

Forty percent of Washingtonians drive to work, 34 percent take public transportation, 13 percent walk and 4 percent bike.

Of course that's only part of the picture though because a large percentage of people commuting in DC live in Virginia and Maryland, and they are more much likely to drive and take public transportation and much less likely to walk or bike.

So, yes, most people drive.

https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/states2020/District_of_Columbia.pdf

The consistent theme I am seeing here is a proclivity of people to just make things up. And it is always the people who are advocating the same thing.

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

Forty percent of Washingtonians drive to work, 34 percent take public transportation, 13 percent walk and 4 percent bike.

Of course that's only part of the picture though because a large percentage of people commuting in DC live in Virginia and Maryland, and they are more much likely to drive and take public transportation and much less likely to walk or bike.

So, yes, most people drive.

https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/states2020/District_of_Columbia.pdf

The consistent theme I am seeing here is a proclivity of people to just make things up. And it is always the people who are advocating the same thing.

+1

It's like bicyclists are impervious to facts. It's like a cult that has constructed its own reality.

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

Forty percent of Washingtonians drive to work, 34 percent take public transportation, 13 percent walk and 4 percent bike.

Of course that's only part of the picture though because a large percentage of people commuting in DC live in Virginia and Maryland, and they are more much likely to drive and take public transportation and much less likely to walk or bike.

So, yes, most people drive.

https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/states2020/District_of_Columbia.pdf

The consistent theme I am seeing here is a proclivity of people to just make things up. And it is always the people who are advocating the same thing.

+1

It's like bicyclists are impervious to facts. It's like a cult that has constructed its own reality.

Wow, you really are oblivious.

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If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

OK, 20 mph speed limits on all streets.

The problem is people don’t follow the speed limit. People regularly drive 40-50 MPH on the streets around my NW neighborhood, especially a night.

DDOT was very pro-traffic calming under mayors Fenty and Gray. Under Bowser, they have lost interest, except with respect to bike lanes, The mayor talked a good game about reducing speed limits on side streets to 20 mph. They replaced a few speed signs on a handful of streets and then nothing. DDOT also makes it very difficult to get speed bumps, which is a policy turn-around. It's great to talk platitudes about Vision Zero and bike lanes for the lycra crowd, but how about actually slowing traffic so that kids who are trying to ride their bikes on residential streets are safer? How about trying to protect pedestrians from speeding traffic, much of it with MD and VA plates?

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The majority of people in DC don’t actually work at all, so this is not actually surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

We have to design the city around the perceived desires of the 1%? Nah.

It’s not the desires of the 1%. It’s the desire of the City to spend money. The City can’t stay afloat by catering to bike riders that eat at food trucks for lunch in the park. But you do you.

Yeah, it is. You're saying that if the 1% don't get their way (or what you think their way is), they will take their ball and go somewhere else, and then the city will be doomed with just the tax revenue from the 99%.

I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Firs ot all, the more people who ride bikes and take metro mean the people who want to drive will have an easier time of it. Second, all of the studies contradict what you assert in the bolded. Please stop repeating it. Repeating lies often don't make them true.

You think a guy on a bike is going to pick up $2000 dinner check at the Palm a couple of times a month? Look, if you want a city full of Potbellys then keep building bike lanes.

Maybe not the Palm, because it's 2021, not 1975, but yes, cyclists spend a lot of money for good food, just like everyone else.

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I will help you. The 1% pay 40% of the taxes and the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. I’m saying the vast majority of the top 10% want to drive to work in their air conditioned car. They’ve worked hard and have earned this luxury. You may know a few HHI people who like to ride their bikes or crowd into a smelly METRO car, but they are the exception. If you make the commutes hellish for those 10%, those folks ain’t coming to work downtown. Restaurants will fail, commercial real estate will fail, small businesses of all types will fail.

Shorter PP: I prefer to drive and believe that society should be structured around this preference.

There's 360,000 cars registered in DC. There's approximately seven 25-year old white guys in DC who are really into bike lanes. Maybe we should do majority rules?

The majority of people in DC don't drive to work, my dude. I believe the number is around 40%.

You're welcome to come up with whatever rules you'd like in your own sofa fortress. It has no bearing on reality here, which is: more and better bike / pedestrian infrastructure.

The Census Bureau said that in 2019 only 34 percent of Washingtonians, and just 13 percent of everyone in the metro area, commuted by public transportation. If anything, those numbers are probably going to fall with so many people souring on the subway system. You can look up the numbers yourself (instead of, you know, making things up).

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/acs/acs-48.pdf

You're welcome to lobby your MD and VA pols however you want. Heck, you can lobby my DC pols, but I'm an actual voter here. You presented numbers on the DC region and nothing about people walking, biking, etc. So... get your argument straight?

Forty percent of Washingtonians drive to work, 34 percent take public transportation, 13 percent walk and 4 percent bike.

Of course that's only part of the picture though because a large percentage of people commuting in DC live in Virginia and Maryland, and they are more much likely to drive and take public transportation and much less likely to walk or bike.

So, yes, most people drive.

https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/states2020/District_of_Columbia.pdf

Well ya, most people drive because that is the built environment the lobbyists from the auto manufacturers, home builders and bus companies have sold to Congress for the last 75 years. It doesn't work well because of what we have today, so maybe, just maybe, it is time to try something different.

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Because the weather in Boise is perfect year round, right?

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Most commuters in DC actually live in Virginia and Maryland. If you look at surveys of how people commute which only focus on DC residents, that is going to greatly overstate the share of people here walking and biking and understate the share driving or using the subway.

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Anonymous wrote:Most commuters in DC actually live in Virginia and Maryland. If you look at surveys of how people commute which only focus on DC residents, that is going to greatly overstate the share of people here walking and biking and understate the share driving or using the subway.

Maybe commuters who live in Virginia and Maryland (which includes me) should stop expecting DC to make transportation decisions that prioritize their needs over the needs of DC residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Most commuters in DC actually live in Virginia and Maryland. If you look at surveys of how people commute which only focus on DC residents, that is going to greatly overstate the share of people here walking and biking and understate the share driving or using the subway.

Maybe commuters who live in Virginia and Maryland (which includes me) should stop expecting DC to make transportation decisions that prioritize their needs over the needs of DC residents.

I think everyone should prioritize cars because that's the method of transportation most people use. I don't think we should prioritize modes of transportation used by a tiny sliver of the population.