
So, it's a sensible reason because everyone else is doing it? Talk about ridiculous. How about thinking for yourself? And by the way, just because I think my friend's reason was stupid, doesn't mean I think she's stupid. I said nothing, even though she was clearly implying that my DS was going to be ridiculed in the locker room. I suppose you never disagree with your friend's choices because you're all carbon copies of each other. |
I have to ask: WHO IS PLAYING THE PENIS MATCHING GAME? Where do you get that boys care enough to play the matching penis game and that if a boy is not cut, he'll be traumatized for life? Where is the LOGIC in this? Every individual is different. Nobody "matches." His penis size might not be the same as other boys. His hair might be curlier than other boys. His testicle might hang differently then other boys. Why stop at the foreskin when it comes to this "matching" madness? |
Yuck. |
Nobody! This is exactly why I was so frustrated when my friend made the locker room comment. My husband said guys don't check each other's penises out. Now, if women don't like an uncirc'd penis, that's a different story, but is it reason enough to perform surgery on a baby? I wish some dads would weigh in on this. |
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So, it's Ok for religious reasons but not for other reasons? Like, if someone decides that they "believe" their is medical benefit, that's not Ok with you? You are a freaking fascist if you think YOU get to decide who does what and why. Keep your eyes on your own kid's penis and mind your own sanctimonius business. |
No one is deciding for others, merely contributing their opinion to the ethical part of the discussion. No one is saying you should not be allowed to do something wrong, only that their POV is that it's wrong, so let's refrain from name-calling and putting words in people's fingers. A French study in South Africa found that circumcised men with similar sexual activity were 9 times less likely to contract HIV than their uncirc counterparts. The researchers ended the study early because they felt it would be unethical not to offer circumcision to the control group. All of these men were adults who consented to the procedure. If you believe you are bound by religious law to circumcise your son on the 8th day of life as a symbolic commitment, that's what you have to do. If you believe there is a medical benefit which will start when he's an adult, it only seems right to me to allow him to be a conscious participant in the decision and procedure once he's an adult. I don't know of any other medical benefit, but would be open to hearing one. Let's please be civil and remember the goal of this forum is to support each other, and on this thread, that means politely contributing POV and info to help others of us in our considerations of the procedure. |
Everyone's rights are very important, including our childrens' rights. |
Would you force circumcision on your son at 16yo or 18? If not, why would you do it as a baby?
In the back of my head, there is a thought that if we let them choose, few would freely choose it. |
Eighty percent of white babies get circumcised each year. (Other groups are lower.) I think that the anti-circumcision zealots here are in the minority, thankfully, because the medical evidence re: AIDS and other STDs is overwhelmingly in favor of circumcision.
Feel free to flame away and call me brainless like you called other moms above. Because I think you're a little nutty on this topic. |
Yes to circumcision, not to forced circumcision. See the diff? |
The HIV transmission benefits ARE overwhelming. Getting circumcised is the right thing to do if men intend to have unprotected sex. But it should be their choice, that's all. Men have rights. Children have rights.
The civil rights pioneers were also in the minority. They were also speaking up for people whose rights were being denied. Thankfully, their "radical" ideas of equal rights are now the norm. |
What are you talking about? |
Are you seriously comparing this to the Civil Rights Movement??? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. |
Agreed. It really has the feel of zealotry, doesn't it? And I also agree that this level of extremism is the minority, as it is on many other controversial topics. Reasonable people disagree on this subject and respect their different opinions. I have to question the level of intensity with which these moms go on and on about how horrible it is. I mean, get a grip already. I'd love to see the way these mothers approach other aspects of their sons' lives. Honestly, in deciding whether to circ my son the very few women I knew or discussed this with--besides friends from other countries/cultures that don't circ--have made so many other decisions I question or who are such smothering mothers or who, frankly, are just annoying, they didn't do much to convince me. Besides, their nosiness into the subject made me wonder if they were questioning their own choices and were trying to bully me into making the same one to feel better about it. In fact, I'm getting the same feeling here...desperate for validation, ladies? |