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Lena Dunham went to Oberlin. She is definitely their type.
And that GDS teacher who molested a 13 yr old in his advisory group.

Trump attended Penn and Gaetz attended William and Mary Law, so....?

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Anonymous wrote:These cow-patch schools are not worth the dollars they are demanding. However, it assuages egos for FOMO parents whose DC can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges.

This! Exactly!

So what are kids who "can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges" supposed to do? Stay home? Fortunately Obama didn't throw in the towel when he was admitted to "cow-patch" Occidental.

And then there are the high-performing kids who can't pay for top ten schools but don't want the large state flagship either. Oberlin and its peers are heavily populated with those students.

Exactly. College Confidential threads are filled with parents who can swing in-state tuition public universities, but has a kid who really wants a LAC. Some of these LACs provide sufficient merit aid to make that happen. Why the contempt?

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Funny, lots of Oberlin rejects on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, lots of Oberlin rejects on here.

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PP, do you bring this vitriol to discussions about being "only exposed to such a small part of the ideological spectrum" at Bob Jones, Hillsdale, or Liberty? My guess is no. You are probably aware that a senior GOP woman was removed from House leadership because she didn't adhere to the belief that Trump won the '20 election, but perhaps not. I definitely didn't see that as an "actual diverse" move or something demonstrating "critical thinking skills." Finally, the GOP ongoing response to the pandemic is not one rooted in public health or science. Fortunately Biden was elected to reverse the downward governance slide in managing COVID. Are you aware that a new study estimates nearly a million people in the US died from the virus? I will take the Oberlin bio major over the Hillsdale one any day of the week. The latter probably doesn't even subscribe to the fundamentals of evolution, let alone germ theory.

It is exactly this this idiocy I am talking about. Have you actually ever had an intelligent conversation with someone with whom you disagree? It is precisely this closed-mindedness that leads to traditional LACs becoming irrelevant. And that is a shame.
(My comment was not specific to Oberlin. My alma mater is a more highly rated SLAC with the same issues.)

You didn't engage with the substantive points PP made. Can you do that? Or only name-call?

A discerning reader will note that I never called anyone a name other than to describe a post as idiocy. Actually, there were no substantive points in the reply, but I will respond just to humor you. As to the size of the political spectrum, I will note that roughly half of the country did not vote for the Democrats. That suggests that Liberty, etc. also do not comprise the entire rest of the political spectrum. (Trying to smear those you argue against with your non-universally-thought prejudices merely highlights your illiberality.). Liz Cheney being removed from leadership only indicates she no long represents her constituency of other legislators and does no imply the party is monolithic. (Check out Pelosi's tolerance of opposing views in her party.). That the GOP does not "follow" science is utter hogwash and is being born out in cross-sectional evidence of how different states have faired with the virus, particularly after analyzing the social costs from mitigation efforts. Check out this survey from last summer showing Republicans had a better understanding of the virus than Democrats (although both were pretty bad): https://www.franklintempleton.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/en-us-retail/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html. Maybe the mask you are still wearing after being vaccinated is cutting off your oxygen and impairing your cognition.

So under your analysis Lynne Cheney was not cancelled, it is just a shift of political winds within the Republican Party, no big deal that it happened because she refused to support the big lie and an insurrection? So when the right does it they are exercising critical thinking but when someone on the left gets upset with someone on the right and makes it public that is cancel? What happened to the Dixie Chicks? Weren't they the very first internet cancellation and done by the right? I am just tired of this panic on the right over nonsense. Yes, LACs are often liberal minded, so what, they represent a tiny percentage of the college population. Why does this scare the right so much?

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Anonymous wrote:Long thread so forgive me if already mentioned

Lena Dunham went to Oberlin. She is definitely their type.
And that GDS teacher who molested a 13 yr old in his advisory group.

Trump attended Penn and Gaetz attended William and Mary Law, so....?

I think PP is talking about RECENT graduates being a reflection of the culture, not graduates from the 60s-80s

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So under your analysis Lynne Cheney was not cancelled, it is just a shift of political winds within the Republican Party, no big deal that it happened because she refused to support the big lie and an insurrection? So when the right does it they are exercising critical thinking but when someone on the left gets upset with someone on the right and makes it public that is cancel? What happened to the Dixie Chicks? Weren't they the very first internet cancellation and done by the right? I am just tired of this panic on the right over nonsense. Yes, LACs are often liberal minded, so what, they represent a tiny percentage of the college population. Why does this scare the right so much?

Why are you so damn dense? I am not afraid of LACs. As I clearly stated, I am the product of a SLAC (and not Oberlin, although I was accepted there) and am lamenting the lack of political diversity at LACs. This lack of political diversity makes a LAC education much less valuable. You people who who think that viewpoint diversity is not necessary in a college experience are the true enemies of a good LAC education.

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So under your analysis Lynne Cheney was not cancelled, it is just a shift of political winds within the Republican Party, no big deal that it happened because she refused to support the big lie and an insurrection? So when the right does it they are exercising critical thinking but when someone on the left gets upset with someone on the right and makes it public that is cancel? What happened to the Dixie Chicks? Weren't they the very first internet cancellation and done by the right? I am just tired of this panic on the right over nonsense. Yes, LACs are often liberal minded, so what, they represent a tiny percentage of the college population. Why does this scare the right so much?

Why are you so damn dense? I am not afraid of LACs. As I clearly stated, I am the product of a SLAC (and not Oberlin, although I was accepted there) and am lamenting the lack of political diversity at LACs. This lack of political diversity makes a LAC education much less valuable. You people who who think that viewpoint diversity is not necessary in a college experience are the true enemies of a good LAC education.

Is describing someone as "so damn dense" name calling? Regarding the "lack of political diversity" at LACs, I am just as baffled by your claims here as your supposed disdain for "name calling." As baffled as I was when the Bush admin's Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq eschewed using democracy and similar subject experts to work in the CPA and opted for college grads who were...anti-choice. Alas, 17 years later and we can see how that narrow focus on culture issues were some of the true enemies of building an effective Iraqi government in the wake of Hussein's brutal multi-decade rule.

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Sorry, this is not a political discussion thread.

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Anonymous wrote:These cow-patch schools are not worth the dollars they are demanding. However, it assuages egos for FOMO parents whose DC can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges.

This! Exactly!

So what are kids who "can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges" supposed to do? Stay home? Fortunately Obama didn't throw in the towel when he was admitted to "cow-patch" Occidental.

There are two types of students who enroll in Oberlin.

1. Those who truly want to go.
2. Those who are convinced (i.e., pushed) by their parents who seek an obscure, but "name" (for those who care) college to brag about around the country club watering hole (since admits were not forthcoming elsewhere from T25 SLAC or National Universities).

This is your opinion, not a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:These cow-patch schools are not worth the dollars they are demanding. However, it assuages egos for FOMO parents whose DC can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges.

This! Exactly!

So what are kids who "can't snare admits to higher-ranked colleges" supposed to do? Stay home? Fortunately Obama didn't throw in the towel when he was admitted to "cow-patch" Occidental.

There are two types of students who enroll in Oberlin.

1. Those who truly want to go.
2. Those who are convinced (i.e., pushed) by their parents who seek an obscure, but "name" (for those who care) college to brag about around the country club watering hole (since admits were not forthcoming elsewhere from T25 SLAC or National Universities).

This is your opinion, not a fact.

I’ll bite.

I toured Oberlin with my son. I wanted him to attend. It reminded me of my high school in terms of its intellectual curiosity and acceptance of diversity. My HS has produced more Nobel laureates than any other high school in the world and is currently ranked 35 by USNWR. It also reminded me of my experiences while working at Microsoft again in terms of the intellectual curiosity and acceptance of diversity in the environment.

If those environments appeal to you consider a place like Oberlin.

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Oberlin student here again. I'm genuinely interested in helping people learn more about Oberlin and decide if it's a right fit. For those of you who already seem to know that Oberlin would not be the right fit, I hope you find schools that are better for you. Why is Oberlin one of the few schools whose threads get derailed by people pointing out a lack of political diversity which could be said for many LACs and universities? As someone who actually attends, I'm not a fan of Lena Dunham but I also haven't met many people like her, at Oberlin or elsewhere. Keep in mind that every school has a few a**holes.

Yeah, I fit into the same bracket that my parents had set aside enough for state school, which I would've been happy to attend, but the opportunity to study at a college rather than a large university was too good to pass up on for me at least. I gained admission from other LACs but with less aid and to be honest, I don't think an education elsewhere would be worth 120k+ more than what Oberlin has to offer. Other full-pay LACs have similar liberal reputations like Vassar and Middlebury and Wesleyan and I don't see people always complaining about them, especially when they have no connection to the school. My good friend goes to Haverford and his parents are pissed about the strike situation last fall, which didn't seem to gain as much national coverage.

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Current Obie, could you speak to what Oberlin's administration is doing to address the issues with Mahallati?

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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/after-post-query-ngo-scrubs-notice-of-event-with-ex-iran-ambassador-668218

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Sorry, this is not a political discussion thread.

Umm, the poster who went off on the supposed lack of political diversity @ LACs injected politics into this thread.