Oberlin

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Anonymous wrote:My DC attends Oberlin and enjoys it. You MUST visit when school is in session to "get the vibe."

Apparently there is a summer semester this year because of the pandemic

Yes, second- and third-year students are there this summer finishing the year - part of Oberlin's multi-layered approach to reducing Covid risks. They have done a spectacular job of it.

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New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

Instrument, not interest

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Anonymous wrote:Any one with DCs @ Oberlin? Or recent grads? DS has strong ACT score, 3.5 GPA, decent ECs w/some leadership. May not have the stats juice for Kenyon, which he is interested in, but am wondering about Oberlin. DH from Ohio and suggested it. DS is fairly involved in social justice issues yet also has a strong independent streak (though not as in political parties) and wary of one-side POVs. Oberlin considered pretty left and hippy when I was a kid, but am wondering if it may be more so these days.

Read the story about Oberlin and the Gibson bakery and see if that’s the type of institution you want your child educated at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson%27s_Bakery_v._Oberlin_College

Oh JFC. Get over it already.

Oberlin is a shitty little town outside Cleveland (I have family there; lots of family). It's fairly conservative. Oberlin the college is not. So there is some inherent tension there and this is not expected.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

I think it might be a good fit - definitely visit when school is in session to see what he thinks.

~Oberlin mom

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

Yep. You just described my Obie. Center left politics with some Bernie ideas thrown in. Passionate about climate change but his major touches on climate change. Not at all into following politics everyday amd I just can’t picture him at a protest or rally. Strong introvert, very nerdy, STEM major with minors in a second STEM and humanities field where he liked the professor in. A survey class and is just talking whatever he teaches . Freshman year, took music lessons from a Con kid for less than $10 a week. This year, there were COVID restrictions.

He LOVES Oberlin, which is filled with introverted, quirky kids. DH laughs because during move in, the majority of kids take an instrument out of the car first thing, and walk it in and get it settled. Then, they unload everything else. There certainly are crunchy granola vegans. But that’s not the majority. PP is right- the vast majority is involved in something creative though. And it sounds like your kid ticks that box.

I’m sure kids protest. But during the BLM and election protests this year, Oberlin was actually much quieter than peer schools. The new president is all about less protest, more taking constructive action to being about real change.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the parent of an Oberlin student.

I have a DS that just graduated from Denison that applied to all three (Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison).

I also have a DD that applied to Wooster and Denison this past cycle.

I am going to post our findings and experiences.

In 2017 my DS applied to all 3 with a 30 ACT, and 3.6 from a typical New England suburban high school. Good not great.

Accepted to Denison with 26k merit.
Accepted to Oberlin with 15k merit.
Declined at Kenyon.

Frankly he did not demonstrate interest in any of them. I mention this that I believe that likely would have helped at Kenyon. I also think being full pay might have helped.

Attended and had a good experience at Denison. We toured Oberlin and I liked it. My DS didn’t like the town. He felt it was old and downtrodden. DW didn’t like Oberlin - too progressive. I liked it and thought my son should attend. Oberlin was willing to work with us on merit given offer from Denison.

Overall DS need less stats than DD at these schools. Also I believe the overall cost of attendance has declined.

In 2018 DD applied to Denison with a 1550 and a 4.8 GPA. Offered less aid than her older brother. I believe they were practicing yield protection.

In 2021 younger DD applied to Denison and Wooster. Approximately 3.6 GPA with no test scores. Good not great ECs. Denison suggested DD apply ED2. Offered pre-read. 20k merit plus 20k financial aid. We have never received financial aid from them (Denison)while DS attended but they said it was because older DD was still in college which again didn’t add up because DS and Older DD were both in college for two previous years.

Wooster offered DD 34k merit.

DD did not apply ED2 to Denison as given COVID she felt it was too far. Waitlisted but I think that was a polite decline.

I realize this does not address your post but I thought you and others might find my families experiences with the Ohio LACs informative.

Boys will have easier admit at all three.

Best of luck.

PP, thanks for your post. Really appreciate reading the three scenarios. DS has a 34 ACT and a current 3.5 GPA. His first year of HS not so great, but his grades have been on a steady upward trajectory. He will be full pay. As of now, he prefers Kenyon. Hoping to see the three Ohio schools when he is out of school in two weeks. FWIW, I am very progressive and would probably be fine with Oberlin, but perhaps may not be same for him.

The last year of admissions has made DS and many of his classmates anxious, even if it may not be founded, so think he is eager to come up with a good mix of a list.

I’m the PP.

Again only first hand knowledge at Denison.

First, given my DD’s experience this year I think admissions and price were easier this year. My DD did not apply to top tier schools but where she applied she did well and the offers were strong. I also received offers of additional aid after May 1 from at least two schools. Never experienced that before. So I think between COVID, international attendance off, and demographics (less HS graduates) I think college admissions will get easier.


I think full pay will help but what my youngest excelled at was demonstrated interest. She was all over it and it made a difference. I would say my other DD had a harder time because all the schools figured she had a ton of options given her high stats. So I think she punched below her weight where my youngest punched significantly above it.

Denison was, according to my DS, somewhat fratty. Also athletics are a big part of it. He was neither and did well but it should be a consideration. A friend’s DD attended Kenyon and she came from a private HS. I am making a stereotype but I could see an easier admit from private vs public school. Kenyon feels like a private boarding school when you tour. I liked it and they had a great course catalog but not sure I could make it 4 years. Would definitely get isolating.

I liked Oberlin because it felt intellectual and in college you should engage in great debates.

When my son saw Denison he was sold.

Good luck. I think your DS is going to do quite well.

Thanks for your follow up and good wishes. Appreciate the Denison insight. DS likes sports, but not necessarily athletics, and he is wary of Greek life, so Denison is not on his list. But if we are in the neighborhood, then we may check out. DS is at a private and think that may be a bit why he is intrigued with Kenyon. He has some apprehension about the college transition and he seems to think it may be an easier one for him.

College admissions is supposed to be getting easier in terms of contracting birth bulge, but not necessarily in time for the class of 2022.

Thanks again and GL to your DCs!

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Anonymous wrote:Any one with DCs @ Oberlin? Or recent grads? DS has strong ACT score, 3.5 GPA, decent ECs w/some leadership. May not have the stats juice for Kenyon, which he is interested in, but am wondering about Oberlin. DH from Ohio and suggested it. DS is fairly involved in social justice issues yet also has a strong independent streak (though not as in political parties) and wary of one-side POVs. Oberlin considered pretty left and hippy when I was a kid, but am wondering if it may be more so these days.

Read the story about Oberlin and the Gibson bakery and see if that’s the type of institution you want your child educated at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson%27s_Bakery_v._Oberlin_College

I'm progressive and I find Oberlin's behavior concerning this case disturbing.

This was 5 years ago, just after Trump was elected. There is now a really impressive new president and the head of residence life during the incident is “on sabbatical”. They were also once a stop on the Underground Railroad. Not sure at what point you are going to move on. But everyone at the college has.

OP, if there is one thing COVId made clear, it’s that Oberlin is a very tight community. I was so thankful that’s where my kid was when COVID hit. They dealt with it very well, and my kid was on campus for two semester of in person classes, almost no community spread. I was very impressed.

No one will ever convince the Fox News soundbite crew otherwise, but there is a range of viewpoint from extreme liberal to mainstream Republican, but more liberal than conservative students. The conservatory is fully integrated into the Arts and Science campus, Con kids are assigned A&S roommates, most A&S kids play one or more instruments, sing or are into drama. The Con kids bring a lot of diverse points of view too. And they have some cool programs like barefoot dialogues (which my kid did, and it was good for him) and an evangelical Christian “sister school”.

If your kid os uncomfortable with openly gay, openly trans, etc, Oberlin is the wrong place. Besides that, right of center to pretty far left is all fine. Mitt Romney would be fine there. Trump worshipers, not so much. The kids who have trouble with the campus culture are really those who have no fine arts interest or background. If your kid is very Greek life and big sports, but no real interest in art, music or drama it will be a bad fit.

Carman Ambar, Oberlin’s President, did an interview with the NYT on campus culture, BLM, etc. She answers a lot of the questions you are asking. Link is in here. https://safesupportivelearning.ed.gov/news/no-parties-no-sports-how-oberlin-college-surviving-pandemic

My kid is HS class of 2020. In term of Admission, Oberlin was very much in line with Kenyon in terms of admissions difficulty. Remember when you look at stats, you are getting A&S and Con. The pure GPA and ACT numbers for the A&S kids are higher. But, of course, the Con kids have amazing talent.

ACT is a 32-34 ACT from the DMV (girls probably need a point higher than boys). 3.5 GPA isn’t a helpful stat. Weighted? Unweighted? Rigor? 3.5 is kind of low, even UW. I’m assuming some ECs that will show that Oberlin is a good fit? Oberlin has a lot of applications (and students) from the DMV, and are looking for a certain kind of kid. Fit matters to them in selecting a class.

My kid applied to A&S. 4.2 GPA. Weighted, obviously, but with 4 years of music and two feign languages, so lots of UW classes. 1530 SAT. Merit awards from Oberlin and Kenyon almost identical. Wooster was much higher.

DS is full pay. Merit would be great, but not needed. Yes, GPA is unweighted and "kind of low." Had a tough start to HS - undiagnosed LD as well as undiagnosed spinal problem. Both addressed and his GPA has been on a steady upward trajectory. DC not coming from DMV but similar metro area.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

Yep. You just described my Obie. Center left politics with some Bernie ideas thrown in. Passionate about climate change but his major touches on climate change. Not at all into following politics everyday amd I just can’t picture him at a protest or rally. Strong introvert, very nerdy, STEM major with minors in a second STEM and humanities field where he liked the professor in. A survey class and is just talking whatever he teaches . Freshman year, took music lessons from a Con kid for less than $10 a week. This year, there were COVID restrictions.

He LOVES Oberlin, which is filled with introverted, quirky kids. DH laughs because during move in, the majority of kids take an instrument out of the car first thing, and walk it in and get it settled. Then, they unload everything else. There certainly are crunchy granola vegans. But that’s not the majority. PP is right- the vast majority is involved in something creative though. And it sounds like your kid ticks that box.

I’m sure kids protest. But during the BLM and election protests this year, Oberlin was actually much quieter than peer schools. The new president is all about less protest, more taking constructive action to being about real change.

i just want to second what this PP wrote. A couple of quick additions from our experience with DS.

First, I want to emphasize how kind the students and faculty members are. They are truly some of the nicest people ever. I'm really not sure why. It would be easy to say it's the Midwest, but the student body is very national, with the majority from both coasts and far fewer from the Midwest. My assumption is that students self-select for Oberlin. For my DS, it has been an enormous relief to have the expectation that others will treat him and others with kindness.

Second, it is an intellectual environment. There are higher stat schools out there, but not nearly as many where students seem truly engaged in their studies and their ECs as part of the life of the mind. It would be an easy place to be a quieter kid.

Third, the conservatory brings a serious artistic vibe to the college. When we toured schools, we visited a few colleges with big arts programs, which had the usual artsy students. What is different about the conservatory is that the artsy students are exceedingly serious and accomplished musicians. Music is everywhere, and it does bring a creative vibe to the school.

Fourth, other than fraternities, the rest of college life is real and present. The college has a significant sports program (even if football isn't great most years), and all of the usual liberal arts college clubs and activities. The town is small, but it is a real town and literally across the street from the college, and with 2700 or so students, it is a little bigger than others.

Fifth, admissions is pretty tough. The numbers don't match up with the top New England SLACs, but it is still pretty tough to get in. The numbers were likely depressed somewhat by Oberlin requiring test scores until this past pandemic year. Going test optional for the next couple of years presumably will bring in more applicants, although no idea how that will affect how hard it is to get in.

Sixth, the administration is impressive. I believe that the school went through a decade or so of less than stellar leadership, capped off by the bakery escapade five years ago. But the no longer new president (there four years) is extraordinary and very direct and action oriented. She has put the college back onto its educational mission, while still both raising boatloads of money and staying true to Oberlin's values. The COVID program at Oberlin was so exceptionally well run that I handed off their protocols to the leadership of my own big employer to learn from what Oberlin was doing. As a parent, there was nothing more reassuring than a zoom call last summer with the Oberlin president and top administrators presenting their plan along with their consultants---a team of infectious disease doctors from the Cleveland Clinic.

Seventh, the resources are terrific. The campus is beautiful and the physical plant is impressive. Services are great. Endowment crossed the $1 billion mark a year ago, and the resources are there. At the same time, the new administration has taken some cost-cutting moves, like contracting out food and maintenance workers, that cuts costs without cutting program. Again, the college administration is impressive in how they are running the college.

Bottomline is our DS loves college and is getting a great education. We couldn't be happier.

I don't know whether the college is giving tours, but the sophomores and juniors are there for the whole summer (due to COVID, the school added a summer semester this year to dedensify the campus). It should give at least something of an impression of a regular college day (even if only hall of the students are there). It is only six hours away. Definitely worth visiting.

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OP, the way you describe your son, he sounds like a good fit for Oberlin. But I think he could also find happiness at Kenyon. They actually pay close attention to essays, and it sounds like your DS might have a good story to tell. Also don't underestimate the leg up full pay and ED can get you. Good luck. Also a fan of Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the way you describe your son, he sounds like a good fit for Oberlin. But I think he could also find happiness at Kenyon. They actually pay close attention to essays, and it sounds like your DS might have a good story to tell. Also don't underestimate the leg up full pay and ED can get you. Good luck. Also a fan of Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan.

PP, thanks - appreciate it!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

Yep. You just described my Obie. Center left politics with some Bernie ideas thrown in. Passionate about climate change but his major touches on climate change. Not at all into following politics everyday amd I just can’t picture him at a protest or rally. Strong introvert, very nerdy, STEM major with minors in a second STEM and humanities field where he liked the professor in. A survey class and is just talking whatever he teaches . Freshman year, took music lessons from a Con kid for less than $10 a week. This year, there were COVID restrictions.

He LOVES Oberlin, which is filled with introverted, quirky kids. DH laughs because during move in, the majority of kids take an instrument out of the car first thing, and walk it in and get it settled. Then, they unload everything else. There certainly are crunchy granola vegans. But that’s not the majority. PP is right- the vast majority is involved in something creative though. And it sounds like your kid ticks that box.

I’m sure kids protest. But during the BLM and election protests this year, Oberlin was actually much quieter than peer schools. The new president is all about less protest, more taking constructive action to being about real change.

i just want to second what this PP wrote. A couple of quick additions from our experience with DS.

First, I want to emphasize how kind the students and faculty members are. They are truly some of the nicest people ever. I'm really not sure why. It would be easy to say it's the Midwest, but the student body is very national, with the majority from both coasts and far fewer from the Midwest. My assumption is that students self-select for Oberlin. For my DS, it has been an enormous relief to have the expectation that others will treat him and others with kindness.

Second, it is an intellectual environment. There are higher stat schools out there, but not nearly as many where students seem truly engaged in their studies and their ECs as part of the life of the mind. It would be an easy place to be a quieter kid.

Third, the conservatory brings a serious artistic vibe to the college. When we toured schools, we visited a few colleges with big arts programs, which had the usual artsy students. What is different about the conservatory is that the artsy students are exceedingly serious and accomplished musicians. Music is everywhere, and it does bring a creative vibe to the school.

Fourth, other than fraternities, the rest of college life is real and present. The college has a significant sports program (even if football isn't great most years), and all of the usual liberal arts college clubs and activities. The town is small, but it is a real town and literally across the street from the college, and with 2700 or so students, it is a little bigger than others.

Fifth, admissions is pretty tough. The numbers don't match up with the top New England SLACs, but it is still pretty tough to get in. The numbers were likely depressed somewhat by Oberlin requiring test scores until this past pandemic year. Going test optional for the next couple of years presumably will bring in more applicants, although no idea how that will affect how hard it is to get in.

Sixth, the administration is impressive. I believe that the school went through a decade or so of less than stellar leadership, capped off by the bakery escapade five years ago. But the no longer new president (there four years) is extraordinary and very direct and action oriented. She has put the college back onto its educational mission, while still both raising boatloads of money and staying true to Oberlin's values. The COVID program at Oberlin was so exceptionally well run that I handed off their protocols to the leadership of my own big employer to learn from what Oberlin was doing. As a parent, there was nothing more reassuring than a zoom call last summer with the Oberlin president and top administrators presenting their plan along with their consultants---a team of infectious disease doctors from the Cleveland Clinic.

Seventh, the resources are terrific. The campus is beautiful and the physical plant is impressive. Services are great. Endowment crossed the $1 billion mark a year ago, and the resources are there. At the same time, the new administration has taken some cost-cutting moves, like contracting out food and maintenance workers, that cuts costs without cutting program. Again, the college administration is impressive in how they are running the college.

Bottomline is our DS loves college and is getting a great education. We couldn't be happier.

I don't know whether the college is giving tours, but the sophomores and juniors are there for the whole summer (due to COVID, the school added a summer semester this year to dedensify the campus). It should give at least something of an impression of a regular college day (even if only hall of the students are there). It is only six hours away. Definitely worth visiting.

PP, thanks for your very insightful response. GL to your DS!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster here - would it be a good fit for a boy who has no problem with progressive politics but is personally just not all that political? And is not at all “crunchy/granola”? He’s more of just a generally quiet, bookish sort, but he is interested in Oberlin (10th grade so just getting into this now) because he plays an interest and would like to study that alongside another major. He also is looking for a school with little to no Greek life.

Yep. You just described my Obie. Center left politics with some Bernie ideas thrown in. Passionate about climate change but his major touches on climate change. Not at all into following politics everyday amd I just can’t picture him at a protest or rally. Strong introvert, very nerdy, STEM major with minors in a second STEM and humanities field where he liked the professor in. A survey class and is just talking whatever he teaches . Freshman year, took music lessons from a Con kid for less than $10 a week. This year, there were COVID restrictions.

He LOVES Oberlin, which is filled with introverted, quirky kids. DH laughs because during move in, the majority of kids take an instrument out of the car first thing, and walk it in and get it settled. Then, they unload everything else. There certainly are crunchy granola vegans. But that’s not the majority. PP is right- the vast majority is involved in something creative though. And it sounds like your kid ticks that box.

I’m sure kids protest. But during the BLM and election protests this year, Oberlin was actually much quieter than peer schools. The new president is all about less protest, more taking constructive action to being about real change.

i just want to second what this PP wrote. A couple of quick additions from our experience with DS.

First, I want to emphasize how kind the students and faculty members are. They are truly some of the nicest people ever. I'm really not sure why. It would be easy to say it's the Midwest, but the student body is very national, with the majority from both coasts and far fewer from the Midwest. My assumption is that students self-select for Oberlin. For my DS, it has been an enormous relief to have the expectation that others will treat him and others with kindness.

Second, it is an intellectual environment. There are higher stat schools out there, but not nearly as many where students seem truly engaged in their studies and their ECs as part of the life of the mind. It would be an easy place to be a quieter kid.

Third, the conservatory brings a serious artistic vibe to the college. When we toured schools, we visited a few colleges with big arts programs, which had the usual artsy students. What is different about the conservatory is that the artsy students are exceedingly serious and accomplished musicians. Music is everywhere, and it does bring a creative vibe to the school.

Fourth, other than fraternities, the rest of college life is real and present. The college has a significant sports program (even if football isn't great most years), and all of the usual liberal arts college clubs and activities. The town is small, but it is a real town and literally across the street from the college, and with 2700 or so students, it is a little bigger than others.

Fifth, admissions is pretty tough. The numbers don't match up with the top New England SLACs, but it is still pretty tough to get in. The numbers were likely depressed somewhat by Oberlin requiring test scores until this past pandemic year. Going test optional for the next couple of years presumably will bring in more applicants, although no idea how that will affect how hard it is to get in.

Sixth, the administration is impressive. I believe that the school went through a decade or so of less than stellar leadership, capped off by the bakery escapade five years ago. But the no longer new president (there four years) is extraordinary and very direct and action oriented. She has put the college back onto its educational mission, while still both raising boatloads of money and staying true to Oberlin's values. The COVID program at Oberlin was so exceptionally well run that I handed off their protocols to the leadership of my own big employer to learn from what Oberlin was doing. As a parent, there was nothing more reassuring than a zoom call last summer with the Oberlin president and top administrators presenting their plan along with their consultants---a team of infectious disease doctors from the Cleveland Clinic.

Seventh, the resources are terrific. The campus is beautiful and the physical plant is impressive. Services are great. Endowment crossed the $1 billion mark a year ago, and the resources are there. At the same time, the new administration has taken some cost-cutting moves, like contracting out food and maintenance workers, that cuts costs without cutting program. Again, the college administration is impressive in how they are running the college.

Bottomline is our DS loves college and is getting a great education. We couldn't be happier.

I don't know whether the college is giving tours, but the sophomores and juniors are there for the whole summer (due to COVID, the school added a summer semester this year to dedensify the campus). It should give at least something of an impression of a regular college day (even if only hall of the students are there). It is only six hours away. Definitely worth visiting.

PP, thanks for your very insightful response. GL to your DS!

PP here. My mistake. I meant to say "Other than NOT HAVING fraternities . . ." To be clear, Oberlin has no fraternities or sororities. Sorry if i caused any confusion.

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I don't think politics at Oberlin will be an issue for your DC. This is round-about but current. My DCs best friend is there studying poly sci there and she loves it. My DC is jokingly annoyed that her friends politics are still so middle of the road. So for all the crunchy-granola rep, that's not the lived experience at Oberlin. I think the unifying characteristic is intellectual and studious, not knee-jerk leftist. By comparison, my DC is at a school with less rep for social justice, and she's become more political in college. Neither one feels out of place at their chosen school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think politics at Oberlin will be an issue for your DC. This is round-about but current. My DCs best friend is there studying poly sci there and she loves it. My DC is jokingly annoyed that her friends politics are still so middle of the road. So for all the crunchy-granola rep, that's not the lived experience at Oberlin. I think the unifying characteristic is intellectual and studious, not knee-jerk leftist. By comparison, my DC is at a school with less rep for social justice, and she's become more political in college. Neither one feels out of place at their chosen school.

PP, thanks for taking time to post this insight. Appreciate all the parents who've offered perspectives. Will try to get in a 4 OH LAC road trip in this summer.