“Hook”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol DCUM, you think that being an internationally known and successful activist, who likely has a future in politics or media, is less valuable to Harvard than 200 SAT points.

You are idiots!

And yes, that hold’s true for GW Bush’s admission to Yale. Despite his poor academics, he became a US president. Do you think he was a bad selectiofor admission?

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I thought you all were against legacy admissions (3rd Gen in this case)? Funny that you think Yale had anything to do with his success. He is a classic case of someone whose background and connections would have made him successful in life whether or not he had gone to Yale. A first gen college student would have benefitted more from that spot.

Are Hogg and Thunberg “successful activists?” They are successful at becoming famous, I guess. What have either of them really changed? I guess Hogg did try to build a pillow company, but recently gave up on that, as well.

Your joking, right? Hogg survived a mass murder and has been involved in activism, has a huge following on SM. Like it or not that is all a "hook" and a good one. Thunberg is also a significant activist on a global stage. She also happens to be smart and well spoken.

I'm not sure how you're judging "successful." Outcome of their activism. Yes, we still have mass gun violence and our climate is changing for the worse. But that's is not because their activism is unsuccessful. That is because no one can change minds of uneducated or ignorant assholes who put politics, money, and their their own selfishness above the collective good.

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Anonymous wrote:So name some hooks that are not:
1. Athletics
2. Wealth and wealth related
3. URM

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Physical disability?

No, that is stupid.

Why? You could say it belongs under the URM category.

A great rec from a teacher talking about how a student has never let a missing limb hold him back from any activities will certainly stand out.

But it is not a hook, and if you think it is, then you don't understand what a hook is. And it is nothing like URM, which is connected to a distinct and measurable policy.

It's what helped me get into an elite school.

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Anonymous wrote:So name some hooks that are not:
1. Athletics
2. Wealth and wealth related
3. URM

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Physical disability?

No, that is stupid.

Why? You could say it belongs under the URM category.

A great rec from a teacher talking about how a student has never let a missing limb hold him back from any activities will certainly stand out.

But it is not a hook, and if you think it is, then you don't understand what a hook is. And it is nothing like URM, which is connected to a distinct and measurable policy.

It's what helped me get into an elite school.

You saw your admissions file under FERPA?

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My husband figures he got into Williams because he was from Oklahoma--I mean, he had the stats, valedictorian, all-state band and 1590 SAT--but it would have been a crapshoot if he was from Montgomery or Bergen or Westchester counties. I bet if you're from Presque Isle or Minot or Kayenta, that is still a hook.

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Anonymous wrote:So name some hooks that are not:
1. Athletics
2. Wealth and wealth related
3. URM

Go.

Physical disability?

No, that is stupid.

Why? You could say it belongs under the URM category.

A great rec from a teacher talking about how a student has never let a missing limb hold him back from any activities will certainly stand out.

But it is not a hook, and if you think it is, then you don't understand what a hook is. And it is nothing like URM, which is connected to a distinct and measurable policy.

It's what helped me get into an elite school.

You saw your admissions file under FERPA?

I worked in the admissions office for a year and had conversation with admissions officer who said how surprised they’d been to read my recs because I hadn’t self-identified for disability that was clearly severe (and visible). It made my application stand out. This was couple decades ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband figures he got into Williams because he was from Oklahoma--I mean, he had the stats, valedictorian, all-state band and 1590 SAT--but it would have been a crapshoot if he was from Montgomery or Bergen or Westchester counties. I bet if you're from Presque Isle or Minot or Kayenta, that is still a hook.

This this this. We had to move when our kid was a senior (no choice and she hated it) for two years to Mississippi. She got into Princeton, Yale, Smith ($$$$) and Brown ($$). Compared to her classmates at Madison, she had a zero chance in landing at those school and probably would have at best got a spot at UVA but more likely VaTech.

She hated her senior year, but is happy at Brown, fwiw.

[Anonymous]

Faculty children- another hook.

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Anonymous wrote:A hook = Any quality that would be brag worthy for the school. Primarily URM (because all top schools are desperate to increase those numbers) or some sort of “This would make a great article.” Admit.

+1 So, for example, being from Rhode Island because every school wants a kid from RI so they can say they have kids from all 50 states.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably the biggest hook is being a faculty kid.

I don't think that is true, and not a hook at all schools.

Athletic recruit is easily the biggest hook.

While true, it’s much harder to be a world class athlete than a good student.

Nope. For HYPS, you can lie and say that your kid is a "great athlete" even if they suck. Not only that, you can say your parents attended HYPS, even if they didn't. Happening right now in close in NOVA, for real, sadly. Make a couple mil donation, and done and done.

Athletes don’t get admissions hooks based on anything they list in the application. Outside the Varsity Blues scenario, coaches drive the process by recruiting athletes they think will help the team. If the coach has pull at the school and the kid meets the academic minimums the school sets for athletes, the kid will be admitted regardless of how they described their level on the application (or regardless of almost anything they put in the application as long as they make a half-way decent effort to fill it out). A kid who is not recruited by a coach will get no special credit for playing a sport even if he was, or claims to have been, the captain of a championship winning team. That will count as a decent EC but in no way push the kid into a different admissions box.

Yes I think when people say athlete, they mean recruiting athlete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“First Gen” He’s just a buzz word that allows colleges to double up on their URM admits without having to mention race again

+ 1. Double up or double count, whatever serves their purposes via us nrw rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:“First Gen” He’s just a buzz word that allows colleges to double up on their URM admits without having to mention race again

+ 1. Double up or double count, whatever serves their purposes via us nrw rankings.

MAGA!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“First Gen” He’s just a buzz word that allows colleges to double up on their URM admits without having to mention race again

+ 1. Double up or double count, whatever serves their purposes via us nrw rankings.

Considering plenty of first gen students are white this seems to be just another example of whites pretending they are the actual victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Faculty children- another hook.

This is one of the most stringent so-called "hooks". Unlike athletes, children of faculty are strictly required to meet the requirements for admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Faculty children- another hook.

This is one of the most stringent so-called "hooks". Unlike athletes, children of faculty are strictly required to meet the requirements for admissions.

How do you know that?

[Anonymous]

I have heard about kids with a second citizenship apply as an international student. I don’t know if they needed to show proof they actually lived there while in high school.