Why doesn't Montgomery County rezone Commercial Property to Housing?

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

Except for the "is in Montgomery County" one. Location, location, location.

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

What are you even talking about? You're the one mentioning PG county and Hyattsville as though that's at all relevant. Let's take another look at the thread title: Why doesn't Montgomery County rezone Commercial Property to Housing?

Again, why not just mention Winchester or Hagerstown? Better yet, start your own thread talking about how white people suck because they don't want to feel out of place.

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Anonymous wrote:There are now townhomes on Rockledge Drive so it appears they are doing some of this.

The funny thing about Rockledge is that if there was an area that could deservedly be upzoned for greater density, it is there. And yet the county rezoned it to let EYA build townhomes instead.

No one is opposed to townhomes and they have been a part of development in our county for ever. There are tons of townhomes in downtown Bethesda for example. Middle housing is not in fact "missing" from their own defined "walkshed" of downtown Bethesda. Instead what we have is sloganeering. What people object to having their house abut a 4-plex. I think that is fair.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9834014,-77.0971792,3a,75y,189.39h,89.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh2e4lRYMUl0zLJahEgpnzQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dh2e4lRYMUl0zLJahEgpnzQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D301.17743%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

What are you even talking about? You're the one mentioning PG county and Hyattsville as though that's at all relevant. Let's take another look at the thread title: Why doesn't Montgomery County rezone Commercial Property to Housing?

Again, why not just mention Winchester or Hagerstown? Better yet, start your own thread talking about how white people suck because they don't want to feel out of place.

I am seriously wondering if I am communicating with an adult. You changed my post to write "The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money. " So now you are excluding Hyattsville from the DMV? Hyattsville is closer to downtown Silver Spring than the vast majority of Montgomery County. These arbitrary political boundaries are unimportant if the point is whether or not people have access to affordable housing. You claim that people really just work in DC and commute anyway, so being close-in and next to Metro is important. But when given evidence that is is very much possible to meet all of these demands for someone that commutes to DC every day, you refuse to accept it.

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The funny thing about Rockledge is that if there was an area that could deservedly be upzoned for greater density, it is there. And yet the county rezoned it to let EYA build townhomes instead.

No one is opposed to townhomes and they have been a part of development in our county for ever. There are tons of townhomes in downtown Bethesda for example. Middle housing is not in fact "missing" from their own defined "walkshed" of downtown Bethesda. Instead what we have is sloganeering. What people object to having their house abut a 4-plex. I think that is fair.

Not true at all. Plenty of people are opposed to townhomes. Also, why is it not fair to object to townhomes near you but it is fair to object to a fourplex near you? (What, specifically, is objectionable about a fourplex? How about a triplex, are they objectionable too? And duplexes?)

As for Rockledge itself, why would that be a good place for greater density? The reason Marriott left in the first place is that Rockledge isn't near anything.

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

What are you even talking about? You're the one mentioning PG county and Hyattsville as though that's at all relevant. Let's take another look at the thread title: Why doesn't Montgomery County rezone Commercial Property to Housing?

Again, why not just mention Winchester or Hagerstown? Better yet, start your own thread talking about how white people suck because they don't want to feel out of place.

I am seriously wondering if I am communicating with an adult. You changed my post to write "The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money. " So now you are excluding Hyattsville from the DMV? Hyattsville is closer to downtown Silver Spring than the vast majority of Montgomery County. These arbitrary political boundaries are unimportant if the point is whether or not people have access to affordable housing. You claim that people really just work in DC and commute anyway, so being close-in and next to Metro is important. But when given evidence that is is very much possible to meet all of these demands for someone that commutes to DC every day, you refuse to accept it.

No, the point is about Montgomery County. That's the point of this thread. You are the one person attempting to expand the scope of the thread beyond Montgomery County for your own personal reasons. Some people want Montgomery County as the place they live and would like affordable housing there. They do not want to live in Hyattsville. Some people have work and family in Montgomery County and want to live 10 or 15 minutes away and not have to drive the highway to hell of 495 rush hour each way. Again, make your own thread if you want to talk about how MoCo sucks and PG is great. For me, I'm trying to stay on topic.

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I am seriously wondering if I am communicating with an adult. You changed my post to write "The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money. " So now you are excluding Hyattsville from the DMV? Hyattsville is closer to downtown Silver Spring than the vast majority of Montgomery County. These arbitrary political boundaries are unimportant if the point is whether or not people have access to affordable housing. You claim that people really just work in DC and commute anyway, so being close-in and next to Metro is important. But when given evidence that is is very much possible to meet all of these demands for someone that commutes to DC every day, you refuse to accept it.

I'm the PP who fixed your post for you.

Arbitrary political boundaries may be unimportant, but location is very very very very very important.

If the "affordable housing" is in Hagerstown, and you work in Montgomery County, and you spend four hours a day in the car commuting (and push the state to pay for widening the highway), and you're still paying half of your income (or more) for housing plus transportation, then you really don't have access to affordable housing.

Or, if the "affordable housing" is in apartment complexes way up Georgia Avenue, and you have to take 3 buses to get to your job (and hope you don't get run over on your way to or from the bus stop), and you're doubling up with extended family or others, and you're still paying half of your income (or more) for housing plus transportation, then you really don't have access to affordable housing.

I have never said that everyone works in DC, nor would I, because obviously that's false.

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Anonymous wrote:My area is already crowded in terms of roads and schools with single family homes. There would have to be some massive infastructure projects to accomodate adding multifamily dwellings to large areas of the county.

There would be fewer cars on the road if more people were able to live closer to things they can currently only reach by car.

I’m so tired of the NIMBY’s pushing everyone out to Clarksburg and Frederick.

Have you been pushed out to either Clarksburg or Frederick? The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

Fixed that for you.

That is just factually untrue, both for rental housing and ownership. For example, this is a perfectly nice starter home for $371k that is half a mile to two Metro stations, the same distance to groceries and other amenities and only 1.5 miles to the DC border.
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Hyattsville/3300-Lancer-Pl-20782/home/10952561

Is this a joke? Hyattsville is not in MoCo but sure someone that is going to live in Montgomery County is going to be in Hyattsville instead. Heck, they should just move out to Winchester VA while they're at it! You basically proved the point of the theread, thanks!

It is telling that you specifically choose to exclude some neighborhoods from the DMV at your choice. That house meets every single criteria that people should want. In fact, YIMBYs should be upset that there is SFH in this "walkshed".

It seems to be true that YIMBYs really just want to live around white people.

What are you even talking about? You're the one mentioning PG county and Hyattsville as though that's at all relevant. Let's take another look at the thread title: Why doesn't Montgomery County rezone Commercial Property to Housing?

Again, why not just mention Winchester or Hagerstown? Better yet, start your own thread talking about how white people suck because they don't want to feel out of place.

I am seriously wondering if I am communicating with an adult. You changed my post to write "The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money. " So now you are excluding Hyattsville from the DMV? Hyattsville is closer to downtown Silver Spring than the vast majority of Montgomery County. These arbitrary political boundaries are unimportant if the point is whether or not people have access to affordable housing. You claim that people really just work in DC and commute anyway, so being close-in and next to Metro is important. But when given evidence that is is very much possible to meet all of these demands for someone that commutes to DC every day, you refuse to accept it.

No, the point is about Montgomery County. That's the point of this thread. You are the one person attempting to expand the scope of the thread beyond Montgomery County for your own personal reasons. Some people want Montgomery County as the place they live and would like affordable housing there. They do not want to live in Hyattsville. Some people have work and family in Montgomery County and want to live 10 or 15 minutes away and not have to drive the highway to hell of 495 rush hour each way. Again, make your own thread if you want to talk about how MoCo sucks and PG is great. For me, I'm trying to stay on topic.

The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

More money buys more choices in education, housing, healthcare, food for everyone. The is not a MoCo issue. I have family in SF. I would like to live there but I can not afford it. I had a find a place to live a could afford.

[Anonymous]

The funny thing about YIMBYs is that they keep shifting the goal posts.

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I am seriously wondering if I am communicating with an adult. You changed my post to write "The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money. " So now you are excluding Hyattsville from the DMV? Hyattsville is closer to downtown Silver Spring than the vast majority of Montgomery County. These arbitrary political boundaries are unimportant if the point is whether or not people have access to affordable housing. You claim that people really just work in DC and commute anyway, so being close-in and next to Metro is important. But when given evidence that is is very much possible to meet all of these demands for someone that commutes to DC every day, you refuse to accept it.

I'm the PP who fixed your post for you.

Arbitrary political boundaries may be unimportant, but location is very very very very very important.

If the "affordable housing" is in Hagerstown, and you work in Montgomery County, and you spend four hours a day in the car commuting (and push the state to pay for widening the highway), and you're still paying half of your income (or more) for housing plus transportation, then you really don't have access to affordable housing.

Or, if the "affordable housing" is in apartment complexes way up Georgia Avenue, and you have to take 3 buses to get to your job (and hope you don't get run over on your way to or from the bus stop), and you're doubling up with extended family or others, and you're still paying half of your income (or more) for housing plus transportation, then you really don't have access to affordable housing.

I have never said that everyone works in DC, nor would I, because obviously that's false.

Yep, that pp was confusing me and you because there's more than one person that thinks that MoCo should allow additional housing to be built and she thinks everyone agrees with her. I love how she went on to talk about SF as though that's relevant. It's not, just like Hyattsville is not. Neither are relevant to a discussion about MoCo zoning.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny thing about YIMBYs is that they keep shifting the goal posts.

MoCo will magically become the one county in the US with full equality...good attainable goal!

[Anonymous]

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The DMV is a huge area that provides lots of housing choices for everyone who has lots of money.

More money buys more choices in education, housing, healthcare, food for everyone. The is not a MoCo issue. I have family in SF. I would like to live there but I can not afford it. I had a find a place to live a could afford.

Have you ever wondered WHY there is so little affordable housing in San Francisco? Have you ever wondered why people are commuting to San Francisco from Stockton or Modesto? Have you ever wondered, "What if the government made different policy choices about housing and transportation, then maybe could people who work in San Francisco live closer to their jobs and spend less of their lives commuting?"

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The funny thing about Rockledge is that if there was an area that could deservedly be upzoned for greater density, it is there. And yet the county rezoned it to let EYA build townhomes instead.

No one is opposed to townhomes and they have been a part of development in our county for ever. There are tons of townhomes in downtown Bethesda for example. Middle housing is not in fact "missing" from their own defined "walkshed" of downtown Bethesda. Instead what we have is sloganeering. What people object to having their house abut a 4-plex. I think that is fair.

Not true at all. Plenty of people are opposed to townhomes. Also, why is it not fair to object to townhomes near you but it is fair to object to a fourplex near you? (What, specifically, is objectionable about a fourplex? How about a triplex, are they objectionable too? And duplexes?)

As for Rockledge itself, why would that be a good place for greater density? The reason Marriott left in the first place is that Rockledge isn't near anything.

Uh, no. Not in the first place.

Marriott's lease was ending and they wanted a modern building. They did want the new location to be close to a Metro stop, but the final decision was basically which governments were going to give them the most in $$$.

Downtown Bethesda it is!!

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/july-august-2018/why-marriott-stayed/

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The funny thing about Rockledge is that if there was an area that could deservedly be upzoned for greater density, it is there. And yet the county rezoned it to let EYA build townhomes instead.

No one is opposed to townhomes and they have been a part of development in our county for ever. There are tons of townhomes in downtown Bethesda for example. Middle housing is not in fact "missing" from their own defined "walkshed" of downtown Bethesda. Instead what we have is sloganeering. What people object to having their house abut a 4-plex. I think that is fair.

Not true at all. Plenty of people are opposed to townhomes. Also, why is it not fair to object to townhomes near you but it is fair to object to a fourplex near you? (What, specifically, is objectionable about a fourplex? How about a triplex, are they objectionable too? And duplexes?)

As for Rockledge itself, why would that be a good place for greater density? The reason Marriott left in the first place is that Rockledge isn't near anything.

Uh, no. Not in the first place.

Marriott's lease was ending and they wanted a modern building. They did want the new location to be close to a Metro stop, but the final decision was basically which governments were going to give them the most in $$$.

Downtown Bethesda it is!!

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/july-august-2018/why-marriott-stayed/

Yes, and Rockledge isn't.