DCPS considering moving Hardy to MacArthur Blvd, current Hardy would become a HS

[Anonymous]

Creepy and clueless? Have you lived here in the last 75 years? The last 25 years? You don't believe white upper middle class families send their kids to Wilson, SWW, or private for high school? Deal is 'OK' for middle school and they're squeamish about HARDY? All those MFers who say Brookland, MacFarland, Stuart-Hobson are "NOT AN OPTION" in the pearl-clutching parlance of DCUM? Any awareness of self-segregation?

Setting boundaries is routine across America. I don't want it, but where it exists here, the upper middle class routinely do an end run around it TO GET INTO WEST OF ROCK CREEK PARK SCHOOLS. This entire forum is dedicated to the DCPS End Run, either the Charter that builds the kind of demographics you want (tell me what the test scores mean, or the specialized programs do to routine student access to your school) or finding ways to get into Deal Feeder Schools (TM).

Also - I Haven't found the word snowflake anywhere. I'm talking about enabling access to all schools for At-Risk kids and ending capital-F Flight from neighborhood schools across DC for everybody else. Haven't fake sworn at you either.

Tired of the access games. I'm tired of segregation by the cumulation of many little choices that no one seems responsible for except to shrug at. Give the At-Risk mobility, no one else. Or end boundaries entirely.

[Anonymous]

that property had the GDS traffic for forever til it moved - now it will just be replaced by different types of kids and probably not as many uber expensive cars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:that property had the GDS traffic for forever til it moved - now it will just be replaced by different types of kids and probably not as many uber expensive cars

And not as many kids whose parents -- or nanny or chauffeur -- drop them off at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Move lafayette and shepherd out of deal/wilson. Problem solved.

To where? Lafayette has about 120 kids per class (at least k now). The next closest middle is ida b wells. From the numbers it looks like once all three grades are brought in from their current feeders, they have space for maybe 150 more kids total? So you are going to put 360 Lafayette and however many shepherd kids where exactly in wells?

Yup - you send Lafayette and Shepherd Park to Ida and then either Coolidge or Roosevelt though Coolidge (and the aquatic center) are right there already so you could set up a new bus route to serve both.

From Lafayette it is an 11 minute drive to Wells and a 6 minute drive to Deal. But much of the Lafayette catchment is east of the school and hence even closer to Wells and further from Deal.

Someone please find me what cohort of kids is going to be moved to this new Middle School that will be less inconvenienced than that?

And combining those two schools with the kids in the neighborhood around Wells would get you a whiter and wealthier student body than Deal has.

So you can solve the Deal/Wilson problem in a manner that improves two sets of schools and saves DCPS a bunch of money.

Or you can go down this nutty road DCPS is embarking on that will cost a lot of money and greatly inconvenience a bunch of people and will leave some EOTP schools under enrolled all while creating a traffic nightmare in an inaccessible corner of DC and there is not even a practical way to walk or bike from the current Eaton boundaries to this proposed location.

People have been traveling across the park for decades to attend school every day. There is no reason the privileged families of Chevy Chase can't do the same and be part of a sane solution to overcrowding.

But the DC Council has more money than courage so the chances that they do the logical thing here are probably close to zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Move lafayette and shepherd out of deal/wilson. Problem solved.

To where? Lafayette has about 120 kids per class (at least k now). The next closest middle is ida b wells. From the numbers it looks like once all three grades are brought in from their current feeders, they have space for maybe 150 more kids total? So you are going to put 360 Lafayette and however many shepherd kids where exactly in wells?

Yup - you send Lafayette and Shepherd Park to Ida and then either Coolidge or Roosevelt though Coolidge (and the aquatic center) are right there already so you could set up a new bus route to serve both.

From Lafayette it is an 11 minute drive to Wells and a 6 minute drive to Deal. But much of the Lafayette catchment is east of the school and hence even closer to Wells and further from Deal.

Someone please find me what cohort of kids is going to be moved to this new Middle School that will be less inconvenienced than that?

And combining those two schools with the kids in the neighborhood around Wells would get you a whiter and wealthier student body than Deal has.

So you can solve the Deal/Wilson problem in a manner that improves two sets of schools and saves DCPS a bunch of money.

Or you can go down this nutty road DCPS is embarking on that will cost a lot of money and greatly inconvenience a bunch of people and will leave some EOTP schools under enrolled all while creating a traffic nightmare in an inaccessible corner of DC and there is not even a practical way to walk or bike from the current Eaton boundaries to this proposed location.

People have been traveling across the park for decades to attend school every day. There is no reason the privileged families of Chevy Chase can't do the same and be part of a sane solution to overcrowding.

But the DC Council has more money than courage so the chances that they do the logical thing here are probably close to zero.

I am the poster you are responding to. Nothing about my comment was about bus lines. Those are easy to change. The comment is that they just built a new school for Ida b Wells and there is literally no room for all the Lafayette kids...by hundreds. So yes, they *could* completely renovate the school and probably would need to double the size. But are they? Is that the right investment? To refurbish the school they JUST built? why not work on another under enrolled school instead? Oh I know why! Because we’ve decided Chevy chase is the “right kind of rich” but the much more expensive homes in mt pleasant are “integrated” and should still keep going to Deal when they are a stone’s throw from MacFarland. (I know so many Mt Pleasant families. All white. All very rich. All want that “urban feel.” Not living in that suburban-feeling NW DC! But bought there because it is a Deal feeder.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Move lafayette and shepherd out of deal/wilson. Problem solved.

To where? Lafayette has about 120 kids per class (at least k now). The next closest middle is ida b wells. From the numbers it looks like once all three grades are brought in from their current feeders, they have space for maybe 150 more kids total? So you are going to put 360 Lafayette and however many shepherd kids where exactly in wells?

Yup - you send Lafayette and Shepherd Park to Ida and then either Coolidge or Roosevelt though Coolidge (and the aquatic center) are right there already so you could set up a new bus route to serve both.

From Lafayette it is an 11 minute drive to Wells and a 6 minute drive to Deal. But much of the Lafayette catchment is east of the school and hence even closer to Wells and further from Deal.

Someone please find me what cohort of kids is going to be moved to this new Middle School that will be less inconvenienced than that?

And combining those two schools with the kids in the neighborhood around Wells would get you a whiter and wealthier student body than Deal has.

So you can solve the Deal/Wilson problem in a manner that improves two sets of schools and saves DCPS a bunch of money.

Or you can go down this nutty road DCPS is embarking on that will cost a lot of money and greatly inconvenience a bunch of people and will leave some EOTP schools under enrolled all while creating a traffic nightmare in an inaccessible corner of DC and there is not even a practical way to walk or bike from the current Eaton boundaries to this proposed location.

People have been traveling across the park for decades to attend school every day. There is no reason the privileged families of Chevy Chase can't do the same and be part of a sane solution to overcrowding.

But the DC Council has more money than courage so the chances that they do the logical thing here are probably close to zero.

I am the poster you are responding to. Nothing about my comment was about bus lines. Those are easy to change. The comment is that they just built a new school for Ida b Wells and there is literally no room for all the Lafayette kids...by hundreds. So yes, they *could* completely renovate the school and probably would need to double the size. But are they? Is that the right investment? To refurbish the school they JUST built? why not work on another under enrolled school instead? Oh I know why! Because we’ve decided Chevy chase is the “right kind of rich” but the much more expensive homes in mt pleasant are “integrated” and should still keep going to Deal when they are a stone’s throw from MacFarland. (I know so many Mt Pleasant families. All white. All very rich. All want that “urban feel.” Not living in that suburban-feeling NW DC! But bought there because it is a Deal feeder.)

Ok, move Lafayette, Shepherd *and* Mount Pleasant out of Deal/Wilson. Problem solved even more.

[Anonymous]

This is just going to be another MS/HS with OOB kids. I saw this as an OOB parent of a former Hearst/Deal/Wilson parent.

DC really have to institute a lottery process for OOB kids for each school level.

Example, OOB for Hearst need to lottery again for Deal and then Wilson.

This is what Charters for DCI will have to do in the near future as well and they are “in boundary” well at a feeder school.

[Anonymous]

PP here, * say and child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’d definitely have to do something about transportation to MacArthur Blvd and probably increase it to the Hardy/Ellington area as well.

That stretch of MacArthur boulevard is a main commuter route and was gridlick in the mornings. With more schools it will be a wreck. The narrow streets cant handle it. Yuck.

Yeah, it would be really nice if there were a disused right-of-way just next to the site which could be relatively easily converted into a mixed used path or even a streetcar route to connect the school to the rest of the Palisades and Georgetown. Oh, wait . . . there is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Move lafayette and shepherd out of deal/wilson. Problem solved.

To where? Lafayette has about 120 kids per class (at least k now). The next closest middle is ida b wells. From the numbers it looks like once all three grades are brought in from their current feeders, they have space for maybe 150 more kids total? So you are going to put 360 Lafayette and however many shepherd kids where exactly in wells?

Yup - you send Lafayette and Shepherd Park to Ida and then either Coolidge or Roosevelt though Coolidge (and the aquatic center) are right there already so you could set up a new bus route to serve both.

From Lafayette it is an 11 minute drive to Wells and a 6 minute drive to Deal. But much of the Lafayette catchment is east of the school and hence even closer to Wells and further from Deal.

Someone please find me what cohort of kids is going to be moved to this new Middle School that will be less inconvenienced than that?

And combining those two schools with the kids in the neighborhood around Wells would get you a whiter and wealthier student body than Deal has.

So you can solve the Deal/Wilson problem in a manner that improves two sets of schools and saves DCPS a bunch of money.

Or you can go down this nutty road DCPS is embarking on that will cost a lot of money and greatly inconvenience a bunch of people and will leave some EOTP schools under enrolled all while creating a traffic nightmare in an inaccessible corner of DC and there is not even a practical way to walk or bike from the current Eaton boundaries to this proposed location.

People have been traveling across the park for decades to attend school every day. There is no reason the privileged families of Chevy Chase can't do the same and be part of a sane solution to overcrowding.

But the DC Council has more money than courage so the chances that they do the logical thing here are probably close to zero.

I am the poster you are responding to. Nothing about my comment was about bus lines. Those are easy to change. The comment is that they just built a new school for Ida b Wells and there is literally no room for all the Lafayette kids...by hundreds. So yes, they *could* completely renovate the school and probably would need to double the size. But are they? Is that the right investment? To refurbish the school they JUST built? why not work on another under enrolled school instead? Oh I know why! Because we’ve decided Chevy chase is the “right kind of rich” but the much more expensive homes in mt pleasant are “integrated” and should still keep going to Deal when they are a stone’s throw from MacFarland. (I know so many Mt Pleasant families. All white. All very rich. All want that “urban feel.” Not living in that suburban-feeling NW DC! But bought there because it is a Deal feeder.)

Ok, move Lafayette, Shepherd *and* Mount Pleasant out of Deal/Wilson. Problem solved even more.

Way to not respond to the issue at hand on relieving overcrowding at Deal by overcrowding Wells. As long as we get people out of your school, right? Who cares if Wells families want their school overcrowded and kids sitting in trailers.

[Anonymous]

Why are people missing the real scandal here? That being that the DC government is proposing spending many tens of millions of dollars and precious public space to build a new elementary school building next door to a public school building that is being virtually given away in perpuity to a wealthy private school with which the mayor seems to be very cosy.

[Anonymous]

Did Mary Chen ever get answers from the DME?: https://www.kohp.org/2020/05/28/mary-cheh-sends-letter-to-deputy-mayor-kihn-on-proposed-foxhall-elementary/

[Anonymous]

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I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

I'd be happy if DCPS west of Rock Creek Park remains integrated, but I'm not from your neighborhoods, I'm from Ward 4. Where your OOB students are from. I want integration in my schools here. And by extension I want integration in the rest of DC. I want people with advantages to stop shunning the school system east of Rock Creek Park.

These challenges are linked. A boundary-based solution is always problematic, but if we are living with it, then why is the solution always build more capacity in Ward 2 and Ward 3 (plus Lafayette)? That's not what I want. That's not real integration.

I know you want less crowding and you prize having minorities in your schools, but please help us build citywide solutions. I know DCUM well enough to expect the people to say that if I want "UMC" children in these schools they need to ..... basically exclude most students who live East of Rock Creek Park, e.g., "Test In Options" "strands" or "Honors." You know you've seen all that.

I don't like you building new schools in Ward 2 and 3 when our budgets just got hammered and the capacity issues are due to system wide pressure.

I'd go for your building project on the premise of DCPS mobility being only for At-Risk kids. The rest of us get neighborhood schools.

Your barbell is gross. Ward 3 IB kids and OOB at-risk kids would end up in an environment where white people are rich and walk to school and black people are poor and drive to school. The middle needs to be filled in.

Gross? We ALREADY HAVE that wealth gap in DC. White income vs black income in DC? There is no middle class family here.

What I don't want is the upper class east of Rock Creek Park fleeing westward. I give up on White Ward 2 and 3 leaving its enclave. I'm done with the bullshit where everybody hyperconcentrates west of Rock Creek Park. WE KNOW WHAT THE RESULT IS. And you would balance that against "allowing white kids to know that nonpoor black people exist?" This is a thing? Your precious admixture of diversity among the kids from $3 million single-family homes, one kid? G-ROSS!!!

Allow it for those who meet the at risk categorization. That gets who "needs" it their needs met.

If you want something different, why not Kill Off the Boundaries Entirely? I'll take that today, but until then, I want mobility for at-risk only.

"What I don't want is the upper class east of Rock Creek Park fleeing westward."
Wow, what a creepy clueless thing to say.
You give up on controlling the rich families but you want to control the non-rich families that you hope are sufficiently non-rich to be controllable, and sufficiently non-poor to be shamed as rich and corralled into EOTP schools, every last one of them, let's not let a single non-rich non-poor white family do the abject and win a spot in the lottery and join the white hyper concentration WOTP!
Calling my kid a precious snowflake who brings nothing? F. U. right back. This is ridiculous. Yes, put aside at-risk slots, but excluding non-at-risk families entirely from OOB opportunities in ward 3 is unacceptable and is typical barbell policy.
Gross.
Besides, we've said it before. Carrot, not stick.

Then take the PPs option and eliminate in bounds for HS. If not, proposing an at risk preference in the lottery is not revolutionary, I can’t believe you are this shocked and angry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Move lafayette and shepherd out of deal/wilson. Problem solved.

To where? Lafayette has about 120 kids per class (at least k now). The next closest middle is ida b wells. From the numbers it looks like once all three grades are brought in from their current feeders, they have space for maybe 150 more kids total? So you are going to put 360 Lafayette and however many shepherd kids where exactly in wells?

Yup - you send Lafayette and Shepherd Park to Ida and then either Coolidge or Roosevelt though Coolidge (and the aquatic center) are right there already so you could set up a new bus route to serve both.

From Lafayette it is an 11 minute drive to Wells and a 6 minute drive to Deal. But much of the Lafayette catchment is east of the school and hence even closer to Wells and further from Deal.

Someone please find me what cohort of kids is going to be moved to this new Middle School that will be less inconvenienced than that?

And combining those two schools with the kids in the neighborhood around Wells would get you a whiter and wealthier student body than Deal has.

So you can solve the Deal/Wilson problem in a manner that improves two sets of schools and saves DCPS a bunch of money.

Or you can go down this nutty road DCPS is embarking on that will cost a lot of money and greatly inconvenience a bunch of people and will leave some EOTP schools under enrolled all while creating a traffic nightmare in an inaccessible corner of DC and there is not even a practical way to walk or bike from the current Eaton boundaries to this proposed location.

People have been traveling across the park for decades to attend school every day. There is no reason the privileged families of Chevy Chase can't do the same and be part of a sane solution to overcrowding.

But the DC Council has more money than courage so the chances that they do the logical thing here are probably close to zero.

I am the poster you are responding to. Nothing about my comment was about bus lines. Those are easy to change. The comment is that they just built a new school for Ida b Wells and there is literally no room for all the Lafayette kids...by hundreds. So yes, they *could* completely renovate the school and probably would need to double the size. But are they? Is that the right investment? To refurbish the school they JUST built? why not work on another under enrolled school instead? Oh I know why! Because we’ve decided Chevy chase is the “right kind of rich” but the much more expensive homes in mt pleasant are “integrated” and should still keep going to Deal when they are a stone’s throw from MacFarland. (I know so many Mt Pleasant families. All white. All very rich. All want that “urban feel.” Not living in that suburban-feeling NW DC! But bought there because it is a Deal feeder.)

Ok, move Lafayette, Shepherd *and* Mount Pleasant out of Deal/Wilson. Problem solved even more.

Way to not respond to the issue at hand on relieving overcrowding at Deal by overcrowding Wells. As long as we get people out of your school, right? Who cares if Wells families want their school overcrowded and kids sitting in trailers.

Oh right, I forgot that Wells is the only EOTP middle school that could be considered under such a scenario. My bad.

[Anonymous]

Clearly PP doesn’t know anything about the Wells site or they would know it was built out of the renovation of Coolidge HS not an entirely new school.

My impression about Lafayette is that they should probably close it to out-of-bounds non-at-risk students and build a second school to meet its enrollment needs, not expand to 1000 seats.