DCPS considering moving Hardy to MacArthur Blvd, current Hardy would become a HS

[Anonymous]

Wow, DCPS in planning to fill the MacArthur Ave space as soon as August 2022. So potentially Hardy will move by then or there will be a new HS in that space.

See slide 20:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zcbQvPXRI_LPSM2Mk6ow3fJ_M7va3BgC/view?usp=drivesdk

Additionally, DCPS has announced they are closing the Fillmore Arts center located at the Hardy MS site:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/a84f33ae6490fe0c1335b1b5180d92fa/fa123c8c-f191-4bf4-bf5d-d4fe9b1374fb.pdf?ticket=t_E3kGoHAi&xythos-download=true

Given that the rec center across from Hardy is also in the process of being redesignated, it seems like the HS will likely be coming to the current Hardy site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

But maintaining space at Wilson *is* about OOB. Wilson is about 30% OOB. Out of 1800 students, that’s about the same as your 570 above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

It will only help if they then eliminate seats from Wilson when the new HS comes on line. But you know they won’t. They will backfill any open Wilson seats with OOB kids through the lottery. Same with Deal. They can build two new HS in Ward 3, but Wilson will never has less than 2000 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

But maintaining space at Wilson *is* about OOB. Wilson is about 30% OOB. Out of 1800 students, that’s about the same as your 570 above.

I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

But maintaining space at Wilson *is* about OOB. Wilson is about 30% OOB. Out of 1800 students, that’s about the same as your 570 above.

I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

Ok, but to do this there needs to be some pretty significant school construction WOTP. The days of cramming all the kids into Deal and Wilson have to end, because there's simply no more room for them, and enrollment isn't going to get any smaller. Once DC leaders can wrap their heads around that, then progress will be made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’d definitely have to do something about transportation to MacArthur Blvd and probably increase it to the Hardy/Ellington area as well.

That stretch of MacArthur boulevard is a main commuter route and was gridlick in the mornings. With more schools it will be a wreck. The narrow streets cant handle it. Yuck.

[Anonymous]

I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

I'd be happy if DCPS west of Rock Creek Park remains integrated, but I'm not from your neighborhoods, I'm from Ward 4. Where your OOB students are from. I want integration in my schools here. And by extension I want integration in the rest of DC. I want people with advantages to stop shunning the school system east of Rock Creek Park.

These challenges are linked. A boundary-based solution is always problematic, but if we are living with it, then why is the solution always build more capacity in Ward 2 and Ward 3 (plus Lafayette)? That's not what I want. That's not real integration.

I know you want less crowding and you prize having minorities in your schools, but please help us build citywide solutions. I know DCUM well enough to expect the people to say that if I want "UMC" children in these schools they need to ..... basically exclude most students who live East of Rock Creek Park, e.g., "Test In Options" "strands" or "Honors." You know you've seen all that.

I don't like you building new schools in Ward 2 and 3 when our budgets just got hammered and the capacity issues are due to system wide pressure.

I'd go for your building project on the premise of DCPS mobility being only for At-Risk kids. The rest of us get neighborhood schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This actually seems like a workable plan. People in the Wilson feeder want “local” schools, the schools are overcrowded. This will result in more of what people want - local schools. Plus there may be more “seats” for OOB students.

So why all the kvetching?

DCPS has committed to new schools at the GDS site and Hardy Rec Center. Since they are within the Wilson boundaries, the only way this doesn't blow the top of Wilson is if more high school space is added, regardless of what grade configuration the new schools have. This plan nets out as a new high school and a new elementary school. Then the question becomes, if you have those three buildings, and need an elementary, a high school and a middle school, what is the best role for each site? Wisconsin Ave is a better site for a high school than MacArthur Blvd. Some day the city will get Jelleff back so it will have an athletic field.

It’s not that there “may” be more OOB seats. There DEFINITELY will be more OOB seats. That’s is the plan. This has nothing to do,with overcrowding at Deal or Wilson.

It's not about OOB. It's not about Deal either, but it is about Wilson. Look at the 2019 supplement to the Master Facilities Plan, Appendix E. Projected enrollments for Stoddert, Key and Mann are 613, 489, and 480. Combined they are 570 over capacity. That's a new elementary.

Taking five elementary schools and a middle school out of the Wilson feeder pattern will help crowding at Wilson.

It will only help if they then eliminate seats from Wilson when the new HS comes on line. But you know they won’t. They will backfill any open Wilson seats with OOB kids through the lottery. Same with Deal. They can build two new HS in Ward 3, but Wilson will never has less than 2000 kids.

Agree. BCC and The W’s in MoCo all have around 2100 students. I don’t see why Wilson would have less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’d definitely have to do something about transportation to MacArthur Blvd and probably increase it to the Hardy/Ellington area as well.

That stretch of MacArthur boulevard is a main commuter route and was gridlick in the mornings. With more schools it will be a wreck. The narrow streets cant handle it. Yuck.

I'm pretty sure DC should prioritize moving DC students from trailers in school parking lots into school over moving cars with one dude in each quickly from Maryland to Downtown DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’d definitely have to do something about transportation to MacArthur Blvd and probably increase it to the Hardy/Ellington area as well.

That stretch of MacArthur boulevard is a main commuter route and was gridlick in the mornings. With more schools it will be a wreck. The narrow streets cant handle it. Yuck.

I'm pretty sure DC should prioritize moving DC students from trailers in school parking lots into school over moving cars with one dude in each quickly from Maryland to Downtown DC.

Wilson and Hardy are both on Wisconsin Ave....a lot more traffic than MacArthur. The kids managed to survive crossing the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’d definitely have to do something about transportation to MacArthur Blvd and probably increase it to the Hardy/Ellington area as well.

That stretch of MacArthur boulevard is a main commuter route and was gridlick in the mornings. With more schools it will be a wreck. The narrow streets cant handle it. Yuck.

I'm pretty sure DC should prioritize moving DC students from trailers in school parking lots into school over moving cars with one dude in each quickly from Maryland to Downtown DC.

Wilson and Hardy are both on Wisconsin Ave....a lot more traffic than MacArthur. The kids managed to survive crossing the road.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the kids' commute. Let me try again.
DC should prioritize DC students education, including making sure the K-12 students of 2030 have access to actual classrooms instead of trailers, over making sure that the Maryland cars of 2030 can cross town quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

I'd be happy if DCPS west of Rock Creek Park remains integrated, but I'm not from your neighborhoods, I'm from Ward 4. Where your OOB students are from. I want integration in my schools here. And by extension I want integration in the rest of DC. I want people with advantages to stop shunning the school system east of Rock Creek Park.

These challenges are linked. A boundary-based solution is always problematic, but if we are living with it, then why is the solution always build more capacity in Ward 2 and Ward 3 (plus Lafayette)? That's not what I want. That's not real integration.

I know you want less crowding and you prize having minorities in your schools, but please help us build citywide solutions. I know DCUM well enough to expect the people to say that if I want "UMC" children in these schools they need to ..... basically exclude most students who live East of Rock Creek Park, e.g., "Test In Options" "strands" or "Honors." You know you've seen all that.

I don't like you building new schools in Ward 2 and 3 when our budgets just got hammered and the capacity issues are due to system wide pressure.

I'd go for your building project on the premise of DCPS mobility being only for At-Risk kids. The rest of us get neighborhood schools.
Your barbell is gross. Ward 3 IB kids and OOB at-risk kids would end up in an environment where white people are rich and walk to school and black people are poor and drive to school. The middle needs to be filled in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

I'd be happy if DCPS west of Rock Creek Park remains integrated, but I'm not from your neighborhoods, I'm from Ward 4. Where your OOB students are from. I want integration in my schools here. And by extension I want integration in the rest of DC. I want people with advantages to stop shunning the school system east of Rock Creek Park.

These challenges are linked. A boundary-based solution is always problematic, but if we are living with it, then why is the solution always build more capacity in Ward 2 and Ward 3 (plus Lafayette)? That's not what I want. That's not real integration.

I know you want less crowding and you prize having minorities in your schools, but please help us build citywide solutions. I know DCUM well enough to expect the people to say that if I want "UMC" children in these schools they need to ..... basically exclude most students who live East of Rock Creek Park, e.g., "Test In Options" "strands" or "Honors." You know you've seen all that.

I don't like you building new schools in Ward 2 and 3 when our budgets just got hammered and the capacity issues are due to system wide pressure.

I'd go for your building project on the premise of DCPS mobility being only for At-Risk kids. The rest of us get neighborhood schools.

Your barbell is gross. Ward 3 IB kids and OOB at-risk kids would end up in an environment where white people are rich and walk to school and black people are poor and drive to school. The middle needs to be filled in.

Gross? We ALREADY HAVE that wealth gap in DC. White income vs black income in DC? There is no middle class family here.

What I don't want is the upper class east of Rock Creek Park fleeing westward. I give up on White Ward 2 and 3 leaving its enclave. I'm done with the bullshit where everybody hyperconcentrates west of Rock Creek Park. WE KNOW WHAT THE RESULT IS. And you would balance that against "allowing white kids to know that nonpoor black people exist?" This is a thing? Your precious admixture of diversity among the kids from $3 million single-family homes, one kid? G-ROSS!!!

Allow it for those who meet the at risk categorization. That gets who "needs" it their needs met.

If you want something different, why not Kill Off the Boundaries Entirely? I'll take that today, but until then, I want mobility for at-risk only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m happy if they increase OOB seats West of the Park. The whole topic of OOB students is the modern day argument of integrating schools. Schools must integrate.

I'd be happy if DCPS west of Rock Creek Park remains integrated, but I'm not from your neighborhoods, I'm from Ward 4. Where your OOB students are from. I want integration in my schools here. And by extension I want integration in the rest of DC. I want people with advantages to stop shunning the school system east of Rock Creek Park.

These challenges are linked. A boundary-based solution is always problematic, but if we are living with it, then why is the solution always build more capacity in Ward 2 and Ward 3 (plus Lafayette)? That's not what I want. That's not real integration.

I know you want less crowding and you prize having minorities in your schools, but please help us build citywide solutions. I know DCUM well enough to expect the people to say that if I want "UMC" children in these schools they need to ..... basically exclude most students who live East of Rock Creek Park, e.g., "Test In Options" "strands" or "Honors." You know you've seen all that.

I don't like you building new schools in Ward 2 and 3 when our budgets just got hammered and the capacity issues are due to system wide pressure.

I'd go for your building project on the premise of DCPS mobility being only for At-Risk kids. The rest of us get neighborhood schools.

Your barbell is gross. Ward 3 IB kids and OOB at-risk kids would end up in an environment where white people are rich and walk to school and black people are poor and drive to school. The middle needs to be filled in.

Gross? We ALREADY HAVE that wealth gap in DC. White income vs black income in DC? There is no middle class family here.

What I don't want is the upper class east of Rock Creek Park fleeing westward. I give up on White Ward 2 and 3 leaving its enclave. I'm done with the bullshit where everybody hyperconcentrates west of Rock Creek Park. WE KNOW WHAT THE RESULT IS. And you would balance that against "allowing white kids to know that nonpoor black people exist?" This is a thing? Your precious admixture of diversity among the kids from $3 million single-family homes, one kid? G-ROSS!!!

Allow it for those who meet the at risk categorization. That gets who "needs" it their needs met.

If you want something different, why not Kill Off the Boundaries Entirely? I'll take that today, but until then, I want mobility for at-risk only.

"What I don't want is the upper class east of Rock Creek Park fleeing westward."
Wow, what a creepy clueless thing to say.
You give up on controlling the rich families but you want to control the non-rich families that you hope are sufficiently non-rich to be controllable, and sufficiently non-poor to be shamed as rich and corralled into EOTP schools, every last one of them, let's not let a single non-rich non-poor white family do the abject and win a spot in the lottery and join the white hyper concentration WOTP!
Calling my kid a precious snowflake who brings nothing? F. U. right back. This is ridiculous. Yes, put aside at-risk slots, but excluding non-at-risk families entirely from OOB opportunities in ward 3 is unacceptable and is typical barbell policy.
Gross.
Besides, we've said it before. Carrot, not stick.